Should the number of Councillors be reduced prior to the next election?
Do you agree with reducing the number of Councillors on Port Macquarie-Hastings Council prior to the 2012 Local Government election? What would you nominate as your preferred number of Councillors?
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ajd Comment 1
6:15pm, 29 October 2009
11I don't support this. Our council has historically had too much representation from certain sectors of the community, and decreasing the number of councillors will reduce the opportunity for others to have their views properly represented.
Jay Beaumont Comment 2
6:24am, 30 October 2009
11So far I personally have not seen any evidence to support the idea that change is needed, and would in turn result in a more balanced council. I would have assumed that smaller numbers would have the opposite effect.
eustace Comment 3
8:42am, 31 October 2009
7I would prefer the Administrator to continue in office for a further three or four years.
The Peter Principle Comment 3.1
9:41am, 2 November 2009
4I also believe that we would be better served by having the Administrator continue in office. He has demonstrated that he can do a competent job so why is it necessary for him to be replaced by 5 or more councillors?
leone Comment 3.1.1
11:36am, 2 November 2009
4I'd prefer the administrator to stay. We have all benefited from the wise decisions made since an administrator was appointed. I'd hate to see a return to the bad old days when council was pretty much the plaything of a certain section of the community.
ifonly Comment 3.1.1.1
11:39am, 4 December 2009
6I think the thumbs down show what people think of hte Adminstrator staying. He needs to go asap. Bring back democracy. Currently we have an autocratic dictatorship. One person making the decisions is not democracy. If you didn't like the last councillors make sure you vote for different ones next time. That is why we live in a democracy. If you want to have a single person making the decisions I would suggest you relocate to China or somewhere else that does not have democracy in place
Jay Beaumont Comment 3.2
9:47am, 4 November 2009
6I would personally prefer that we keep our democratic right to vote. I do however agree that the Administrator has done a good job.
jabadham Comment 4
9:59am, 1 November 2009
2I fully support this idea. I think 5 councillors would be enough.
Valc Comment 5
9:06am, 4 November 2009
3Five councillors would be acceptable. At the very most seven
Valc
Valc Comment 6
9:09am, 4 November 2009
6Yes, the number should be reduced before the next election so we can start with a clean sheet. Five would be a good number although seven may be better for this large area
Valc
Lyndal Coote Comment 7
10:23am, 4 November 2009
10I agree with reducing the nunmber of Councillors - to 7. I think 5 is too few. Seven is a very workable committee.
Bob Comment 7.1
8:31am, 2 February 2010
29 councillors should be a minimum. The more community representation the better.
Engaged Comment 8
10:36am, 4 November 2009
10I support a reduction in councillor numbers to 7. Further, given that the Port Macquarie-Hastings community continues to expand, both numerically and geographically, I trust that any future council will be much more representative of community interests and opinions.
Bob Comment 8.1
8:32am, 2 February 2010
29 councillors should be a minimum. As the numbers in our LGA grow the more community representation the better.
Jaci Comment 9
1:24pm, 4 November 2009
14The council was reduced from 11 to 9 with the introduction of the popularly elected mayor. The number seemed at times somewhat unworkable at 11 and 9 seemed to work fairly well.
Given the growth that is anticipated reducing to 5 will place a hugh burden on those elected when you consider the number of committees etc on top of the general council meetings and would seem to see everyone being on everything.
We need some diversity of opinion so 7 would be the least we should consider, but as previously said, 9 would spread the workload a bit more and give wider representation.
The other consisderation is that given that the above the line voting with groups seems set to continue, if you reduce to 5 you may end up with the first of each of the five most popular groups.
The community needs to tread carefully and extensive consultation and education needs to be entered into before any decisions are taken.
JONES Comment 10
5:38pm, 4 November 2009
12The area covered by the PMHC is very large and diverse, to reduce the number of DEMOCRATICALLY elected representatives is a backwards step. we have had the Administrator ruling the Council, what is needed is more representation, not less. Who will be the voice for the community who live outside of Port Macquarie if we have a reduced number of Councillors?
peewee Comment 11
9:50am, 9 November 2009
2I think for too long local government has been either the stepping stone to a political career, or a means of personal gratification. The management of council is a business function, and there is little need for non-experts making multi-million dollar decisions ( our millions), under the influence of political support and deals. Current financial predicament points to the ineptitude of past elected experts. Maintenance of the Administrator is my preferred option, to avoid pressure group influences.
MSPort Comment 12
6:12pm, 9 November 2009
12I believe it is important for the residents of PM-H to have elected representatives who are answerable to us, rather than a person appointed by an authority which is not directly answerable to us. If we elect the wrong representatives, that is our fault, not the fault of the system. With the amount of growth expected in the next few years there will come much additional work and we will need a full complement of councillors to cope.
peewee Comment 12.1
10:14am, 10 November 2009
2The last elected council points out that it's too late after the milk in spilt, to say we elected the wrong people. Council's ( and hence our)current financial situation demands that a radical measure be taken to protect our long term well-being- like continuation of the Administrator's function until a positive financial position is established. We presently have the unique opportunity to take advanatage of not having elected representatives. Elected representatives have the habit of never being able to say NO, because it will put them off-side with some constituents. The quality of past decisions of the 2 Administrators exemplifies that being elected is not a pre-requisite to wisdom.
John Jeayes Comment 12.2
7:06am, 27 November 2009
6I definitely feel we need 9 councillors to service 80,000 people.It will be too hard for 5 councillors to maintain contact. I should also like to point out without 9 councillors elected last time Jamie Harrison would not have been there to help Lisa. With their enormous expenditure the business community will have clones dominating the five number. We need to get councvillors with integrity
peewee Comment 12.2.1
5:19pm, 3 December 2009
1I would suggest that favourably mentioning past councillors is not the way to advance your cause. They were all party to significant economic decline of Coumcil's position, and would suggest that a boycott of their further participation as councillors would safeguard against any further taint.
Portman Comment 12.2.1.1
1:55pm, 8 January 2010
3Are you forgetting that anyone can put their hand up to be a Councillor? You don't have to be an accountant, businessman, solicitor etc. In fact, you don't have to have ANY financial, business or legal qualifications or training. Yet, if you are elected, you are suddenly required to make decisions for an authority that has 400+ employees and turns over $200M+ p.a.
The bottom line is - the majority of Council's decisions are based upon guidance and advice from senior Council staff.
Smokey Comment 13
9:46pm, 19 November 2009
0I beleive the councillors should number five people and represent wards so that all parts of the area covered by a person living in that area with our welfare at heart. All the money would not be spent in Port Macquarie and much need country area would then get a share which has not happen in a long time.
Portman Comment 13.1
1:29pm, 8 January 2010
3Smokey, do you realise how many hours are required of Councillors? Ask any of the former Councillors and they'll tell you it takes up more time than a normal job. How do you expect 5 people to cover the work that used to be done by 9 Councillors?
peterjb Comment 14
8:52am, 27 November 2009
6Could I ask what is the method Council will use to "gauge broad community support " about this or any other major issue without having a referendum or an elected council ? The test of any political institution is the satisfaction of the needs of its constituency .If the Government in any democracy fails to satisfy the majority of voters it should be turned out .Sadly referenda & elections are expensive but community forums,letters to the editor & hyped up newspaper headlines should not be the arbiters of "broad community support ". Currently we are all compelled to vote so it would seem premature & divisive if any decision such as changing the number of councillors were to be made by any undemocratic process.
srt Comment 14.1
8:38am, 4 December 2009
2Thank you peterjb. I was looking for a way to put my feelings into words and you have done an excellent job of it. I heartily endorse your position.
ifonly Comment 14.2
11:40am, 4 December 2009
4Well said. No decision shoul dbe made on this until we have a Council in place and we then take it to a referendum.
streamlined governance Comment 14.2.1
9:54am, 29 December 2009
1Note,the decision to reduce council numbers must be taken after a constitutional referendum has taken place, the administrator does note have the power to do this without going to the electorate therefore there is no question of an undemocractic process taking place.If we wait until after council elections take place in 2012, then we are still stuck with 9 councillors (who will be for the most part be well meaning but inexperienced) for another four years until 2016 before numbers can be reduced. I would suggest a referendum no later than 12 months prior to Sept 2012 elections.
KDW Comment 15
3:01pm, 2 December 2009
7Cutting Councillor numbers to 5 for a cost saving of $82,000 means a loss of nearly half our democratically elected representation. What price is our democracy? We are a growing community and we need adequate representation to represent a current population of 70,000+. We have already had a reduction from 11 to 9 councillors in the past and we have to think about our growth and the possibility that our Councillors will need to represent 120,000+ residents in the not so far away future.
ifonly Comment 16
3:44pm, 2 December 2009
6I think we should keep nine councillors and the sooner we can elect them ourselves the better. We are currently represented by a person who flies in here for a day or so each week. That is not democracy. We have a growing community and we need adequate represetnation. 9 councillors will suit us now and into the future.
Kempsey, taree, Great Lakes, Coffs Harbour, Nambucca etc all have about the same representation as us. Why should we reduce our level of access and accountability
streamlined governance Comment 17
12:12pm, 27 December 2009
1The debate about the possible reduction in councillor numbers is interesting and their are some important points being made from both sides here. Port Macquarie Hastings local government area is the fastest growing area in NSW. However,the issue really is the quality of the members that are elected and their ability to govern. But because this is the democratic process working, quality is almost impossible to measure beforehand. So whether you have 9, 7 or 5, if the performance of the elected members is woeful, the numbers dont count. I also believe that by using the Ward system, which is popular in some other states, local elected members have to be more accountable to a given geographical area of the lga. There is no doubt that the administartors were put in place because the elected council could not govern, but it is also important to realise that the democratic process will return in 2012 and as a community we must chose the candidates we will vote for carefully. Those who want to govern must realise beforehand that local government in general urgently seeks people with relevent skills including strategic vision, to support the sustainable economic growth of the region.
pipisf Comment 17.1
8:27am, 22 January 2010
1Nice in theroy. The reality is those who advertise that they have the required skills and experience, are those who are wealthy enough to run a broad marketing campaign in the first place, or have questionable morals to accept money from property developers and big business.
Bob Comment 17.2
8:41am, 2 February 2010
1I don't agree with wards, they could split our community by not being represented by all councillors. Previous councils have had across the board representation.
Portman Comment 18
11:27am, 7 January 2010
5Why should we reduce the number of Councillors when our local area continues to grow? The Councillors all sit on various committees within Council. If the number of Councillors is reduced, it puts a greater workload on those Councillors. Keeping the number at 9 gives some diversity, while allowing more public access to representatives on the Council.
pipisf Comment 19
8:17am, 22 January 2010
3What doesen't get publicity is the administrator recieves ALL of the pay the former 9 councillors got. A look at the preferred councillor number survey shows: 36.1% want nine councillors, 30.6% want seven and 33.3% want 5. What really stinks is the numbers of people who participated in the survey is not shown. If only a paltry 27 people have bothered comment on this topic, then this is not the "burning issue" the administrator is raving on about. Additionally it brings up serious Access and Equity issues on behalf of the council. Not everyone has access to a computer and is patient enough to deal with the numerous password faults. If the administrator believes he is "consulting with the community" he needs his head read. The only proper consultation that can be done is a mail out with a self addressed postage paid envelope with our rates notices - so EVERYONE can participate!! Bring back DEMOCRACY!!!
Don't forget that smaller number of councillors runs the risk of quorums not being established if the councillors are ill, or on leave.

