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Is unleashed space a priority for you when exercising your dog?
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Comment 1 19 Jun 2010, 4:37 PM
Yes, definitely. I walk my dogs on leash every morning and they enjoy and benefit from that routine but the best part of their week is definitely going to the beach (Nobbys or Lighthouse) and being able to run off leash. A dog is so much happier when they can run free and get the exercise they need.
Comment 1.1 20 Jun 2010, 6:12 AM
Yes-definitely. My small,well-trained dog loves to run free.
I live in Wauchope and there is NO open space where we can walk our dogs and then allow them to run off the leash. I believe that providing the dogs are properly socialised and the owner does the right thing such as cleaning up after the dog then owners should be allowed to let their dog run free in certain areas. Such areas should be spread over different parts of Wauchope so as to facilitate accessibility for the aged etc. Suggested areas would be Rocks Ferry area,Blackbutt park,Fairmont Gardens fields,Landrigan Park. No dog walking to occur near swings or when the park is in use for sporting events/training etc.
I do not think that one designated,fenced area is the answer as it would be limiting that area to one use and it would also reduce accessibility.
Comment 1.2 21 Jun 2010, 2:36 PM
I own two ,they are a sporting gun dog breed,
Cocker Spaniels and for them to exercise properly they
need to run free ; and as part of their training ,they
return 'to heel ' on a whistle , retrieve objects on
land and from the water. I was disappointed to learn
that the little beach on the North side of Tacking Point
Lighthouse is now banned for dogs / another victory to
the National Parks I suppose .
Comment 1.2.1 22 Jun 2010, 3:03 PM
I was also disappointed that "Little Beach" on the North side of the lighthouse has been banned to dogs.
Council staff say that this recent decision can be changed when the broader Dogs in open Spaces policy is reviewed.
Now is the time to make the rational arguments for that small beach to be available again.
Comment 1.2.1.1 19 Jul 2010, 5:43 PM
Eliminating more and more leash free areas only makes it harder for those who follow the rules.
We are all being encouraged to exercise and told that walking the dog is good for both parties but soon we will be restricted to only walking along narrow dangerous roads or packing lunch and setting off for a day's trek to get to the designated small area where we can pace up and down.
The aim is to have enjoyable proper walks, including along beaches, and be able to exercise our dogs at the same time. Limiting the area of Lighthouse further more…
Comment 1.2.1.1.1 19 Jul 2010, 6:13 PM
Power to you Pixie! Well said, however I don't think the aim of the current Council is to reduce the leash free areas. They, I believe, under the direction of Garry Payne are looking to improve and equalise access for dog owners to leash-free walking/running designated areas throughout the Hastings/Camden Haven area.
Comment 1.2.1.1.2 21 Jul 2010, 1:00 AM
The Council recently decided to ban dogs, including those on leash, from the little beach north of the Lighthouse.
There was no real consultation on the issue and owners and dogs are disadvantaged.
Reversing that decision, increasing the beach on-leash area to include the area just south of the swimmimg area (as Pixie suggests) and providing other leash free areas throughout the Council area should all be done.
Comment 1.2.1.1.2.1 21 Jul 2010, 6:29 PM
Thank you Strategy, I was unaware of the Lighthouse situation. I'm further south where we basically have no reasonable options and the very fact that we are finally being listened to impresses me greatly! Prior to Garry Payne taking an interest in our plight, all our Council, dog-related issues and requests were directed (by Council staff) to the Head Ranger and he stone-walled us. Basically we've been ignored and treated with contempt for over a decade.
Comment 1.2.1.1.2.1.1 22 Jul 2010, 12:16 AM
G'day beachbag
I hope your confidence in the Council Administrator is justified. In the absence of an elected Council he takes the decisions of the Council, considering advice from staff.
The Administrator recently banned dogs from "little beach" at the Lighthouse on the advice of staff.
This forum is only a place for views to be expressed - in my opinion, it is too early to predict what recommendations will be made/decisions taken.
Because you have had more than a decade of being ignored, would you care to summarise now what you wish to achieve?
Comment 1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1 22 Jul 2010, 12:34 PM
Certainly I can summarise what a lot of dog owners require. Equitable and accessible off-leash areas throughout the Hastings/Camden Haven. This is our entitlement as rate payers. It is unreasonable to allocate areas that people with a disability or older people cannot enjoy. While Port Macquarie residents have a limited choice of off-leash areas, many other rate paying residents do not. I also hope my confidence in the Administrator is justified and we all enjoy a positive outcome!
Comment 1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 22 Jul 2010, 7:25 PM
Happy to be the first to "Agree" with your summary.
Now we need to be alert to the timing and contents of the Report to Council.
Comment 1.3 21 Jun 2010, 5:28 PM
dogs become more socialble when allowed off their leads with other dogs but unfortunately there will always be smaller dogs with owners winging about their saftey. My dog I would like to take every where without a lead.
Comment 1.4 21 Jun 2010, 6:52 PM
I'm not a dog owner but it is great to see the dogs on Nobbies and at Lighthouse beach running free. I walk at both beaches and dogs are part of the community and the vast majority of owners are responsible. Let them have their space.
Comment 1.5 24 Jun 2010, 5:31 PM
As a local of some forty years I am disgusted with how anti dog Port Macquarie Hastings Council has become.Shame on you!! Remember rate payers and tax payers ie myself included pay your wages!!
As a practising health care professional it is essential for everyone to have access to off leash dog beaches and parks.More are needed not less.Exercise for dogs and their human counterparts is essential to combat obesity and chronic care health issues.
Comment 1.5.1 29 Jun 2010, 6:31 PM
Agree
The health of residents is much enhanced through the exercising of our dogs.
It often provides a happy social outing for all involved
Comment 1.5.2 9 Jul 2010, 4:00 PM
As an elderly lady with slight balance problem having my dog on lead everywhere can cause a problem with being tugged and falling over - only walked dog weekdays, fine weather, for 20 minutes and find very few places in Lake Cathie,Bonny Hills and Laurieton to safely walk my companion. It is for health reasons I must walk slowly and for 10 min at a time and walking on sand is considered dangerous - dog is extremly placid, aged 7 and very, very well behaved - so now we both just enjoy a car-ride - and look longlingly at the empty playing fields not used mid week. Feel my group and the need for outdoor exercise and health benefits have been denied me, and I am a rate payer also. So where does consideration for all come into play!
Comment 1.5.2.1 9 Jul 2010, 4:55 PM
Nell,I agree with you 100%
Comment 1.5.2.2 9 Jul 2010, 5:13 PM
Nell, I agree totally with you.As well as the need for an increase in the current measly provision of leash free dog beach areas size and ammount,it is essential for the provisoin of fenced leash free dog exercise areas in our council area.Many eldely people have dogs and rightly so they mean everything to them.Dogs are fabulous companions for all and very importantly the elderly.A healthy body and a healthy mind.It is incredibly amazing how pet ownership impacts in a highly positive manner on ones health.The addition of fenced off leash dog exercise areas is essential especially elerly folk exercising their dogs.
Comment 1.5.3 19 Jul 2010, 5:48 PM
I agree wholeheardedly. Do we have a/some dog-hater/s on Council?
Comment 1.5.3.1 19 Jul 2010, 6:22 PM
Pixie I think we have a lot of reasonable, thinking people on Council who realise the majority of people who pay rates and reside here are dog lovers. Hence this forum. I believe we dog 'owners' have been very quiet until recently and now we have an opportunity to expand the current off leash situation. More dog exercise areas are essential throughout all of the Port Macquarie Hastings region.
Comment 1.6 25 Jun 2010, 8:47 PM
Yes My two dogs love runing free on the beach and having other dogs to play with. We ALL need some freedom.
Comment 1.7 29 Jun 2010, 1:33 PM
My dogs are at the happiest running free on the sand on the beach and into the water. they need this sort of exercise just like humans do it increases their flexibility, health and their happiness. they do not go near the scrub at all.
However we also need leash free park areas for people not able to walk to the dog beaches. Responsible dog ownership includes the animals health as well, including exercise. Many of our road are unsafe to walk along and there are no pathways.
Comment 1.7.1 29 Jun 2010, 6:39 PM
Lighthouse Road is a classic example of a busy unsafe road with no footpaths
Council's "back to basics" approach unfortunately does not yet include safe pathways for humans and their dogs
Comment 1.8 30 Jun 2010, 1:34 PM
This is a top priority for my dog as I am convinced that all dogs and people gain from the benefits of having off leash areas for dogs. The benefits are listed below:
Dogs need to be socialized around other dogs and humans;
• Exercise and outings play a part in alleviating unwanted
behaviours in the home such as excessive barking and some
forms of aggression;
• There are benefits for humans – exercise, socializing with other
dog owners (this is well documented) and the fact that for some
people a dog is their main form of recreation;
• To avoid concentration of off-leash activity in one or a small number of areas; and
• As a compliance tool – by providing reasonable off-leash
opportunities, Council can expect and appeal for compliance
with leash requirements in other areas.
Comment 1.9 2 Jul 2010, 6:29 PM
Yes, we have lived in Port Macquarie for over 20 years and have had a number of dogs during that time.
We have always been grateful to the council for recognising that dogs and their owners are important to this community and allowing the allocated beaches to be available to us.
Our family has been taking our dogs to Nobbys Beach ALL THAT TIME and we have had happy, well behaved and healthy dogs.
We are aware of their needs and are careful to pick up after them(it would be good if the bags were replaced more often)
It would be a travesty to lose those leash free areas, dogs need the exercise.
Comment 1.9.1 13 Jul 2010, 4:45 PM
Agree that Council should not consider reducing any of the existing leash free areas
Rather, an increase in the Lighthouse Beach zone is warranted
Fenced leash free areas are also most important
Comment 1.10 27 Jul 2010, 4:34 PM
Of course it is. It is natural and good for the dog and also its owner. The more you limit what people and animals can do, the more you cossetted and tied down we become. How hard can it be in the large area like that encompassed by Council to have significant areas, including beaches, where animals can fit in with everyone and everything else that legitimately wants to use the area? There are too many people who refuse to allow those with whom they don't share an interest from pursuing a legitimate activity.
Comment 2 22 Jun 2010, 3:23 PM
Recently dogs were banned, without effective consultation, from "Little Beach" on the North side of the Lighthouse .
Council staff say that this decision can be changed now that the broader Dogs in Open Spaces policy is being reviewed.
The small beach needs to be available again.
It is important to the many people that walk, along the road, to the Lighthouse to have a small area of beach to enjoy with their leashed dogs.
Dogs being on leash would provide sufficient protection for this area.
Owners are responsible and do collect droppings.
Dogs on leashes do not affect fauna and flora.
Comment 2.1 28 Jun 2010, 6:20 PM
I fully agree with this comment. From my experience it is the holiday makers that do not pick up their droppings.
In the 7 years we have walked our dogs on the beach they have never damaged fauna or flora. If anything they get use to other animals such as the carmels and horses on lighthouse beach.
Comment 2.2 20 Jul 2010, 6:13 PM
Access to the little beach from the lighthouse and small parking area has recently been provided at substantial cost. With the upgrade of the connecting walk to Miners Beach there is now a wonderful continuous walk between Town Green and the lighthouse. It would be sad indeed if walkers had to confront dogs on this tiny beach, the long stairway and the narrow track on the north side. Before the recent construction the beach was very seldom used by dog walkers. The objective of the heavy expenditure was not to benefit dog walkers.
Comment 2.2.1 22 Jul 2010, 12:02 PM
The "little beach" just north of the Lighthouse is a delightful small area that has been used by dog owners and walkers/painters/families for a long time.
Improved access was not intended to restrict that enjoyment but Council staff in 2010 recommended a ban on dogs.
Council staff say that this decision can be changed now that the broader Dogs in Open Spaces policy is being reviewed.
The small beach does need to be available again.
Dogs being on leash would provide sufficient protection for this area (and should satisfy people genuinely concerned about being near a dog).
Comment 3 22 Jun 2010, 8:51 PM
Unleashed space for dogs to run and socialise is both good for the dogs and the owners. The dog (and owner) get much needed exercise and supervised social interaction with other dogs (and owners) - to learn which behaviours are appropriate and which behaviours are not (also appropriate to owners). Obviously the dog needs a certain level of training in order for this to be safe for the dog and the general public. I can recommend the Port Macquarie Hastings Dog club for this!
Comment 4 22 Jun 2010, 9:45 PM
Walking your dog along the beaches is a Port Macquarie ratepayers right. In 20 years I have seen no more than 10 dog fights on the beaches yet I have seen 10 times more drunks, drug takers etc on these same beaches in the same period. Dogs on these beaches learn to socialise as do the owners. This is more than the right to walk a dog, it is councils role to encourage a healthy community and social interaction. Walking a dog does this.
Comment 5 23 Jun 2010, 4:07 PM
We own two dogs, living in Bonny Hills. Every early morning the Rainbow Beach is their area where to run. We clean up after our dogs.
Unfortunately some dog owners do not do that although council supplies us with dog doo bags at the entrance of the beach. We fear that many people will be annoyed by this and that complaints will finally lead to closing the beach for dogs.
So all dog owners should consider the well being of fellow residents.
Comment 5.1 19 Jul 2010, 6:33 PM
So do you drive to Middle Rock? Or do you breach Council's own regulations by taking your dogs onto 'no dogs' areas to access north Rainbow Beach? Check the signage...if you take your dogs past the bbq's and playground onto Rainbow Beach you are breaking the current law. Ridiculous but true. What do you do when it's high tide? Cross the creek, with its warning sign from Council that it's not safe for swimming. These are the issues. We are all breaching the current Council regulations even though you don't realise it. Also, how do you think the elderly will make their way through soft sand to get to the 'legal' areas or is that their problem??
Comment 6 23 Jun 2010, 4:19 PM
My wife and I walk our dog on Nobbies Beach twice a day, at dawn and dusk most days. Until last Christmas, we had another wonderful canine as well, both dogs would respond most joyfully to the word 'beach' - they love the place and relish the time that they share unleashed with their doggy mates.
Providing that the dog and its owner are not vicious, or uncontrollable, and the dog's poop is picked up by the dog's owner/walker; there is little to recommend the theft of another personal freedom.
We want more leash free zones, not less.
How about more…
Comment 6.1 8 Jul 2010, 6:51 PM
I couldn't agree more.
Comment 6.1.1 9 Jul 2010, 10:39 PM
I have not seen you at the beach lately Miss Chloe, but I know that if they take away our rights to run, chase balls and enjoy the ocean, then you and I will be very sad poochs...x
Comment 7 23 Jun 2010, 8:46 PM
Dogs provide a variety of benefits to their owners (and therefore society)and their families including proven health benefits, companionship, security, exercise and teaching children responsibilities for others.
In return they need food, water, vet care, security, shelter, companionship, exercise and some freedom to explore and socialise.
I take our 2 dogs(down from 3 recently) to Lighthouse beach nearly every morning. Most beach users enjoy their time perfectly happily without any conflict with our and other's dogs. These include swimmers, sunbathers, walkers, joggers, courting couples, fishermen and the camels. Any small problems that do arise are almost always with other dogs given that more…
Comment 7.1 26 Jun 2010, 11:21 AM
This is my first year of living in Port for 3mths each year during the winter. This is such a beautifual region & the more I get to know it the more I want to return at various times of the year. So I have looked into possibilities of investment in order to do this. I have to say though - my love of this area is based on lifestyle & my dog is part of my lifestyle. (It was not easy to find dog friendly accomodation - yet dog owners know they generally need to pay more for this more…
Comment 7.2 19 Jul 2010, 6:08 PM
Also 4WDs south of the camel entrance to Lighthouse are a major problem, sometimes driving at considerable speed and weaving between people and dogs. It seems everyone can do what they like except dog owners.
Comment 8 27 Jun 2010, 12:06 PM
I have a large dog, which needs alot of exercise. I walk her twice per day, its good exercise for us both. I would love to be able to play ball and give her a run off the leash, but this is not possible unless I go to the beach. I think an unleashed area off the beach would be a great idea.
Comment 9 27 Jun 2010, 5:52 PM
It is really sad what has happened at Bonny Hills. Once dogs & their owners, (often elderly) could be seen on Bartletts & Spooneys, but now because of a few troublemakers, no one ventures there. Contrary to what was said in a recent newspaper article, that 'no owner ever picked up after their dog', I can say that I have never seen one of our regular dog walkers NOT pick up after their dog. Indeed, we are outraged when we find dog faeces as it is so unusual& unacceptable.
Many dog owners are now intimidated by the unpleasantness here at Bonny hills & one owner is distressed because having his dog socialise on the parkland above the beaches is now denied him.
Spooneys Bay should revert to a 'dogs on leashes' beach & I endorse the move to have all beaches 'leash free' before say 8am & after 4pm.
Comment 9.1 28 Jun 2010, 6:42 PM
Well said! Two people have run riot in Bonny Hills to protect their 'rights' and this does not accommodate the needs of the elderly or people with a disability. Let sanity and commonsense prevail.
Comment 10 28 Jun 2010, 2:15 PM
Absolutely. I have one very old dog (recently lost the other) and two young pups, 16 months and 10 weeks. Although they all get walked on a leash daily, the interaction between them and other dogs (and other people)is totally different in an off-leash situation. My two youngest are mini-foxies and they need to be socialised at this early age with dogs of all shapes and sizes and temperaments - to learn their doggy etiquette for their own safety as much as for manners. They need to learn how to behave around other dogs and people in a variety of situations and off-leash areas used by sensible owners with other well socialised dogs is a great training ground for them. Well behaved, well socialised dogs cause less problems in general - less aggression, less barking, less snapping. Everyone benefits in the long run.
Comment 11 28 Jun 2010, 6:18 PM
We have used both Nobby's and Lighthouse beach for our dogs. As we get closer to the beach their behaviour in the back of the car changes to excitment. They both are so excited to go to the beach. At the beach our dogs socialise and play with other dogs. When our dogs are on the lead walking they are more likely to show aggressive behaviour. I believe we would have more dogs attacks as the dogs do not learn how to interact with other humans and dogs.
Comment 12 28 Jun 2010, 6:59 PM
Melbourne is super dog friendly unlike Port Macquarie.We need to have several fenced ovals where dogs can be let off-lead to exercise.We would use such an area at least 3 times a week.Toilet facilities need to be available.If "doggie bag" stations and bins were set up people will pick up after their animals.
Comment 13 28 Jun 2010, 7:33 PM
Yes, definately. I own a small dog breed who loves her walks, sniffs and wade in the ocean at Nobbies. I as other dog owners would love to have a park where she could run free as she really loves this. I pick up her waste as a responsible dog owner on the beach when she is unleashed and when walking our neighbourhood with her leash. Please consider the needs of dogs and their owners in considering this matter. We are generally well behaved and number over 15,000 in the area...
Comment 14 29 Jun 2010, 8:44 AM
Yes - I walk my two dogs (working breeds) twice per day in unleashed areas. My yard is only medium sized so having a place for my dogs to really stretch their legs is essential.
Without our wonderful leash free facilities I would not be able to keep my two dogs.
The opportunity to exercise regularly means that they are calm and quiet through the day, do not disrupt neighbours with barking, are not destructive and are kept happy. It also gives the dogs an opportunity to socialise and meet many other dogs and people, resulting in better socialised and behaved canine citizens.
Comment 15 29 Jun 2010, 1:05 PM
I have a working dog who needs a lot of exercise just like her ageing owner.I have never witnessed a problem at Lighthouse Beach in the seven years I've been here and can't see what all the fuss over this issue.
There is a band of dog haters who think they are the vocal majority,they have that wrong and never under estimate Dog lovers and how they will stand up for thier pets.
There are areas where dogs should be on leads and areas where they should not be taken eg patrolled beaches,schools etc. We are becoming over governed on a State and Local
basis and the fun police are making rules to cover the lowest common denominator eg the Dog owners who are not responsible.
Leave the beaches and parks as they are !!!!!
Comment 15.1 29 Jun 2010, 6:52 PM
Please do not overestimate the impact of dog lovers contributions to this forum.
All the arguments will be neatly summarised for a Council that may not appreciate the strength of feeling
Comment 15.2 19 Jul 2010, 6:03 PM
Here here "Williams". Maybe all the area's dogs and their owners should converge on Council to make their point.
Comment 16 29 Jun 2010, 4:20 PM
With respect to the responsible dog owners that keep their dogs on leashes and pick up after their dogs I applaud you for your diligence. I cannot however accept an increase in unleashed areas for dogs though as the majority od dog owners that I see blantantly disregard the current rules and unless someone brongs them into line why should we allow more open space to overrun by dogs. Being a regular walker along the coast walk having a dog beach at Nobby's in the middle of it is unappropriate. Having been attacked by a dog on this beach and more…
Comment 16.1 20 Jul 2010, 5:59 PM
I like your suggestion that responsible dog walkers talk to dog walkers who are clearly irresponsible. It is in their interests that all dogs behave well, then there would not be community pressure to have more restrictive regulations. It is useless for walkers without dogs to speak to errant dog owners - it only leads to an aggressive response.
Comment 17 30 Jun 2010, 8:46 AM
Some areas of the Hastings need dedicated "off-leash" exercise areas. They don't have to be flat, groomed sports field in design. There are plenty of areas on the outer fringes of areas of Wauchope, the Industrial area of Port etc that are more than suitable to be fenced off and used for this purpose. Ensuring the same level of contamination removal facilities that are available at places like Knobbys are made available, responsible ownwers will, in the most part return the favour and keep the areas clean.
Comment 18 30 Jun 2010, 8:56 AM
Another essential part of Councils responsibility in ensuring legal, safe and informed community access to leash free areas is correct signposting of these areas. One area of considerable concern is in the Lake Cathie area. At the top of the 4WD access track onto Middle Rock beach, the signage says "NO DOGS" yet the council website states that it is a leash free exercise area from the end of the 4WD track to Duchess Creek. Please also correct your website and indicate that Middle Rock is part of Lake Cathie and is Not Bonny Hills. It even shows it as such on the lands Department website where the plans for area 14 development is located.
Just get all the signage right so that tourists don't keep getting trapped by wrong signage and you end up with over crowding at the one or two correctly signposted dog beaches in the Hastings.
Comment 18.1 30 Jun 2010, 6:37 PM
Not to mention that Bonny Hills residents, in order to obey the law as it stands, would need to drive to Middle Rock Lake Cathie, slide down the steep slope, walk to 200m of Duchess Creek then crawl back up to their vehicle at Middle Rock with their pooch. This would make them law abiding citizens, currently if they cross Rainbow Beach to walk their dogs, they are open to being fined.
Comment 19 30 Jun 2010, 4:31 PM
Unleashed space is a priority.
One thing that is needed is an increase in the designated off leash beach area to include the area north to Watonga Rock
The present area is too congested with speeding 4WD, camels,horses and dogs
Comment 20 30 Jun 2010, 8:46 PM
It is so important for a dog to have at least one large fenced leash free area, think of dogs who live in a small unit with just a little yard for exercise. Most dog owners are extremely responsible and take a dim view of anyone who doesnt 'tidy up' after their pet. Dogs learn socialisation and owners know when to keep their dog on a leash for protection of them and others. I'm a single older lady and I must admit its a wonderful place for people to socialise and make friends too !! When I lived in Darwin more…
Comment 21 1 Jul 2010, 8:19 AM
I constantly run into people from the tourist/ Caravan park at Bonny Hills who are regular visistor to the region "Just for the Dog Friendly" locality of north of Duchess Creek and just can't believe how good we have it. I warn them of the hazzard of not putting their dogs on leash after walking round the Middle Rock platform towards the Lake entrance as it is not signposted at beach level.
I met One couple who were lucky enough to get a "Warning" from the ranger but have heard of others that have copped the full penalty.
The carpark needs a Knobbys supply of black disposal bags to keep people conscious of their responsibility. Perhaps the bags could be put at the base of the steps and also the 4WD track so they are accessable by those coming from the Bonnys end without having to go up to the car park?
Comment 21.1 15 Jul 2010, 12:16 PM
This suggests that COUNCIL needs to make clear where the area of OFF LEASH STARTS AND END. How can you be fined if there is not a sign?
Why do you think it is COUNCIL'S responsibility to provide bags? Attach a plastic bag holder (available from petshops)to the leash permanently and hey presto, problem solved. YOUR dog,YOUR whoopsie, YOUR responsiblity. COUNCIL's responsiblity is to provide bins in which to put the little parcels.
Comment 21.1.1 19 Jul 2010, 5:28 PM
It is Council's responsibility to provide off leash areas, bags and bins under the Companion Animals Act - 1998 - Section 13.
Council can and does fine owners who have their dogs in areas designated as dog free, even if there are no signs. We as dog owners are expected to be aware of the 'no dog' areas and steer clear of them. Where the problem arises is when there's no local off leash areas (Wauchope/Laurieton etc) or those designated areas are not accessible by the elderly owners or people with a disability such as Bonny Hills and Lake Cathie.
Comment 21.1.1.1 20 Jul 2010, 11:14 AM
Thankyou Beachbag for that information about Council. I had no idea that they had to provide bags at all.
Comment 21.1.1.1.1 20 Jul 2010, 8:28 PM
That's not a surprise Wendi, Councils don't tend to advertise what their canine responsibilities are, they prefer to focus on what we dog owners must be responsible for. We (the vast majority) seek to be responsible owners I believe, however we seem to cop an unfair deal. Cats are far more detrimental to the natural fauna yet they are not monitored to the same level as our pooches. As rate payers we are entitled to exercise areas for our best friends. Sporting groups have their areas, children have their playgrounds and we pay rates to support those ventures, the same deal should apply to off leash areas for dogs.
Comment 22 1 Jul 2010, 3:34 PM
Hastings Council is not a dog friendly area in which to live. We are constantly being restricted as to what and were we can go. My dogs are well behaved socialised and i will continue to allow them to run unrestrained when safe to do so because this council will never allow for such activity!I wont drive 10 kms just to let then run legally! Sorry!
Animals have been proven scientifcally to enhance older peoples lifestyle wellness and longivety.
We travel with our dogs exstensively and find that nearly 60% of Nomads have animals and they are increasing each day.I have witnessed two eopisode of bad behaviour and that was the owners insensitivty.
We need MORE dog bin recepticals especially along the water front in town, & i think that you will find people will pick up more readily.
Comment 23 5 Jul 2010, 5:25 PM
It's most important for both the owner and dog that this beach allows dogs to run off-leash, as it promotes exercise and socialisation for both.
Comment 24 6 Jul 2010, 9:23 AM
Iam dissappointed there is no comments for dogs on leashes at the beach. My dog loves the beach also and Council Board clearly says dogs on the beach North of this point at Lighthouse where the camels park have to be leashed. My dog is unsocial and is an agressive breed. I try to walk her here and do my best to stay away from other dogs, except stupid people and it has always been males refuse to leash their dog. The idiots seem to think Iam worried about my dog. I have better things to do than get in the middle of a dog fight which mine will win and my dog should be able to walk the beach also . She would love to run free but out of respect for others I keep her leashed so everyone can enjoy the beach . Is it too hard to consider others? I obey the rules and am frustrated when other s choose to do whatever they like.
Comment 24.1 6 Jul 2010, 7:03 PM
Maybe a muzzle for your dog would be the answer. Able to run free and not harm other dogs!!!!
Comment 24.1.1 7 Jul 2010, 11:23 AM
Yes you are right, she should have a muzzle in off leash areas but in designated leash areas why should she? A designated leash area means keep your dog on a leash for what ever reason. Then a muzzle is not necessary as everyone is in control It isnt really up to anyone else to decide that my dog needs to run free, thats up to me. My point is, that I follow the rules, why shouldnt others? Why do they get to decide what is best when it has already been decided by Council .It is ok to flaunt council rulings as it doesnt suit them?
Comment 24.1.1.1 7 Jul 2010, 5:49 PM
My apology, I misread your item. I must admit I have been one of those people to have my dogs off lead, only because she is such a placid and playful mutt and i do take things for granted, like humans I wish all dogs would get along.
happy dog walking.....
Comment 24.2 12 Jul 2010, 4:05 PM
Your dog has a right to walk on the beach and I APPLAUDE you for keeping it on a leash - you are a respomsible dog owner! You are totally aware of the kind of dog you own and take it seriously so we can ALL enjoy ourselves, however, i Aastounded that you do not muzzle it? Is that not IRRESPONSIBLE?
I have a small dog who is uncomfortable around very small children so I muzzle it if the need arises. Happy exercising!
Comment 24.2.1 21 Jul 2010, 12:25 PM
Why is it irresponsible to not muzzle my dog? When I have her in a public place she is always on a leash & under my control. She will not harm people, my two year old grandaughter rides her like a horse. She was rescued as ayoung dog from people who brought her up to fight other dogs so unfortunately it is still in her nature to attack another dog that comes at her, which is why i always walk in leashed areas. if everyone did the right thing it would all be good.
Comment 24.3 20 Jul 2010, 6:28 PM
As a frequent beach walker I applaud your comment. I am happy to see the very occasional person with an aggressive breed of dog on a leash and muzzled, any dog on a leash and well controlled in a leash permitted area, or dogs properly under control in leash free areas. Regrettably many other people deliberately flout the regulations in each category of control area.
Comment 25 6 Jul 2010, 6:29 PM
Absolutely, there should be more off lead areas. My dog is an exceptional off lead mutt, he enjoys nothing more than to be able to roam free and enjoy other dogs and people, without annoying them. I believe a dog needs to run and run it should, if owners who have a dog and know that it is is liable to attack then please put a muzzle on them and they are still able to run and socialise with other dogs, please lets give some of these animals the freedom they deserve.
Comment 26 7 Jul 2010, 12:45 PM
Yes, definitely! We recently bought our home at Bonny Hills and the big selling factor for us was that we could take our dog for walks on the beach and she could run and swim and chase a ball happily. It is good exercise for me too. We love it.
Comment 26.1 9 Jul 2010, 11:42 AM
There can be no doubt that dogs are better behaved if they have time to socialise & run free at some time each week. There is also no doubt there are iunsufficient sites available in PMHC. I live on the canals & it is a 10 km round trip to Nobbys. Perhaps, in the interest of saving the cost of setting up new sites, some of the existing areas where only leased dogs are permitted, specific limited times could be allocated as 'run free' time.
Comment 26.2 10 Jul 2010, 4:46 PM
I don't know if you realise but the current situation means that unless you drive to Middle Rock, you are breaching Council regulations. Dogs are banned from Rainbow Beach (check the signs) so to get to the area, 200m north of Duchess Creek where they are allowed, you must cross areas where dogs are not allowed. Ridiculous I know, also please spare a thought for the elderly and people that have a disability who cannot cross soft sand to get to the 'legal' dog walking area. We need better access to the leash free areas in order to remain 'legal' and council needs to rectify the contradictory signage.
Comment 27 10 Jul 2010, 5:38 PM
Yes, as our dog is muscular and large and requires daily exercise in order to keep his condition. He grew up on the beach as a pup in the Macleay Shire and use to swim and run freely in an allocated area. He comes alive in this environment and loves to frolic with other dogs and socialise. There is an area within our neighbourhood above Bartlett Beach which is a large open space where dogs could run and be supervised by owners. Currently there are no open areas within easy access from our home and predominately aged residents who own dogs are restricted in exercising and socialising their animals.
Comment 28 12 Jul 2010, 3:46 PM
I HAVE RECENTLY BOUGHT IN THIS BEAUTIFUL SHIRE AFTER GIVING THE FORSTER AREA THE THUMBS DOWN FOR TOTAL LACK OF DOG OFF-LEASH AREAS (THANKS TO NPWS) AND RIDICULUS EXERCISE TIMES.
IN SYDNEY, WE HAD MANY CHOICES OF OFF LEASH AREAS, BOTH PARKS AND BEACHES WITH NONE OF THIS 1 HOUR A DAY ONLY RUBBISH. I HAVE FOUND THAT 99.9% OF DOG OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE OWNERS AND YES I DO PICK UP DROPPINGS FROM THE LAZY .01% SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY OURSELVES INTO THE FUTURE. EVER TRIED EXERCISING A HUSKY ON A LEASH ANYONE??????????
Comment 29 14 Jul 2010, 9:34 AM
I don't own a dog anymore, I have small children. When I did own a dog, I walked it regularly while leashed. The people on this forum seem to think that its their right to let their dog off a leash. That's O.K but I reserve the right to defend myself and my family against your crotch sniffing growling ankle biters when harassed by them. Don't get offended, just understand that my family's right of free passage trumps your poor animal handling ability and self indulgence.
Comment 29.1 19 Jul 2010, 11:47 AM
I understand your point of view as it is the dog owners responsibility to make sure their dog is being controlled. However, you must understand that not all dog owners have poor dog handling ability or are self indulgent and as a previous dog owner yourself, would you claim that you possess these qualities too? And yes, dogs do have a right to be off leash, that is why there is a discussion about which areas can be off leash for dogs in our region. If you wish to keep your family and yourself out of reach of crotch sniffing growling ankle biters, I recommend that you don't go to the dog off leash areas.
Comment 30 14 Jul 2010, 3:00 PM
unleashed space is a priority for my two dogs. We do not have a big yard and it is good to see them being able to really get up a run and some excercise.
Comment 31 19 Jul 2010, 11:59 AM
Council needs to provide more non beach off leash areas. In Winter it is often too cold to go to the beach. Some parklands for dogs off leash is required.
Comment 32 21 Jul 2010, 2:41 PM
Rainbow Beach,Bonny Hills provides an excellent off-leash exercise area for dogs. Let's keep it that way.
Council should adopt a policy which is equitable to all ratepayers by strategically locating off-leash dog exercise areas to service all urban areas within the shire. Personally,I believe that there is little need for National Parks to be involved with decision making in residential areas. BR
Comment 32.1 21 Jul 2010, 6:53 PM
I totally agree that all ratepayers should be able to access off-leash areas, for the health and wellbeing of pooches and their owners. However the access to the leash free area, 200m north of Duchess Creek is a real problem. The current regulations and signage indicate the only legal access is from Middle Rock back to 200m north of Duchess Creek. It's absurd to note that the signage at Middle Rock both allows and prohibits dogs. No wonder people breach the regulations and are confused. If you walk through the park area at Rainbow Beach onto the beach to access the 'legal' dog walking area, you are open to being fined, check the signs. For the frail and/or elderly dog owners this trek across soft sand, to 200m north of Duchess Creek is almost impossible. Particularly when it's high tide, who wants to cross a creek that has HEALTH warning signs from Council?
Comment 33 23 Jul 2010, 10:38 PM
Without a doubt, the most important thing for myself and my dog is to let him run free without his leash!! Being the owner of a "much larger than average" canine requires plenty of exercise just to keep him less lively when at home! Our daily walks at Nobby's keep us both socialised and regularly exercised. Due to my dog's large size and personality, I appreciate that he can come across as an intimidating creature, but most who know him, know that he is just a large sook at heart, who just loves to play and run and swim with more…
