My ideas for redevelopment of Timbertown
If Timbertown was to be redeveloped to make it a significant and viable tourism facility, what additional activities and experiences do you think should be part of the theme park?
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HappyHammer Comment 1
2:42pm, 15 July 2009
1The sale of local and exotic timber species as well as re-cycled structural timber to raise funds for the park. Timber is often donated to Timbertown and the Woodworking Club who can mill it into useable sizes for sale to the general public. Timber donations can be sourced from the council and also the local arborists and tree trimming businesses. Re-cycled timber can also be sold and sourced from council re-development projects, the public and local tradesmen. This needs to be available without entering the park.
This service could also be used to promote re-cycling of timber by Do It Yourselfers.
HappyHammer Comment 1.1
3:10pm, 15 July 2009
0Removed by moderator at the request of HappyHammer.
HappyHammer Comment 1.2
12:03pm, 17 July 2009
0Come on don't be shy if you disagree tell us why....
Bob Comment 1.3
8:23am, 24 July 2009
2Surely this site is about retaining Timbertown not just about fundraising.
HappyHammer Comment 2
3:57pm, 15 July 2009
4I notice in the proposed attractions several museums are listed. These would be excellent attractions for local school and tourist groups interested in the history of the area. The museums should be interactive and contain information on the history of the area as a whole from Cooks first naming Tacking Point to Flinders and on to Oxley.
Information on how the area was logged and how and where the timber was used originally right up to how the state and national forests are managing logging today would be great to make the museum relevant to todays generation and the management going forward.
Bob Comment 2.1
8:26am, 24 July 2009
2This is what Timbertown is all about.
Dabldooya Comment 3
12:43pm, 16 July 2009
7The short term problem is that our over the top OH&S, compensation, insurance and litigation makes it impossible for any public facility to function without extreme measures and coverage to protect all involved .. Therefore the costs involved make it very difficult to run and facilitate the average tourism park etc .. My ideas for redevelopment would include the use of Local, State and Federal Government money to finance the " idiot proofing " of the original complex and the instalation of a kid/ teenager fun park, be it water based of ride based on the land down the back.. From there the kids will bring the parents .. The parents will not mind paying a fee ( not Gold Coast excessive ) to enter the park for their enjoyment with the kids paying the extra for the ' fun ' park day pass .. With the lack of kids things to do in the district without Peppermint Park and Fantasy Glades etc this would be a sure fire way to bring families to the valley ..Every child will want to / insist upon visiting the fun park AT LEAST ONCE each holiday .. The Hastings will NEVER be another Gold Coast .. It can, however make itself a name for short stay family holidays WITH something for the kids with the redevelopment of the only remaining tourism park and heritage park .. It will take some initial cost ( as did the Glasshouse ) .. but the longterm gain is there for the taking..
DONT be greedy with admissions .. DONT be cheap with ride quality .. DONT be afraid of the litigation experts ( there must be a legal way of combatting these possibilities )..
CMON Council ... YOU CAN DO THIS ..
Bob Comment 3.1
8:30am, 24 July 2009
0Peppermint Park, Old Sydney Town, The Beach (Mt Druitt) and other parks usually close because of insurance or visitor reasons. Rides will only increase the possibility of litigation.
hudswell-clarke Comment 3.1.1
10:40am, 8 August 2009
0Without a wide availability of different rides, Timbertown is a "dead" site, void of real interest and thus unlikely to attract the multitude of visitors (and repeat visitors) that it requires to be viable.
gte Comment 4
8:16pm, 16 July 2009
6Side show type amusements in the theme of the 1880s, ie Shooting gallery. Sell show bags. Possibly some form of log ride or whitewater ride similar to dreamworld. Hide substation and pumpstation etc with false facades. Possibly have some gold rush type displays / activities. Tidy up the area at front where there is just gravel to entice people to enter. Promote timbertown to schools. Have a nightly show at additional cost to the day entry? Create a park masterplan.
HappyHammer Comment 4.1
8:34am, 17 July 2009
4A Log Flume would be a great attraction.
Bob Comment 4.1.1
8:37am, 24 July 2009
0It would be an expensive attraction to build, maintain and operate. It would have to be an outside contractor or again it will fall on the ratepayers to support it.
jasper Comment 4.2
10:47am, 20 July 2009
7Agree 100%. Take a look at the Wild West ride at Warner Bros Movie World, the old Log Flume ride & the Gold Mine Roller Coaster ride at Dreamworld. They are hugely popular rides. Seen the queues for the water slide at Wauchope pool in summer!
Surely private enterprise can get involved in the ride side of things.
Tidy up the rest of the place & make it more interactive (school holidays & maybe weekends).
Give both locals & tourists a GOOD FUN & GOOD VALUE reason to keep coming back & they will.
The steam train absolutely must operate. Little kids & big kids alike, love it. Without it there is nothing left!
The new Timbertown needs to be promoted extensively. If people don't know about it, they will not come.
Bob Comment 4.2.1
8:38am, 24 July 2009
3The steam train is Timbertown; it must be running again.
hudswell-clarke Comment 4.2.1.1
10:16am, 8 August 2009
3Without an operating railway (and not only the minature one!), Timbertown is not the Timbertown that I know. The long ride through the bush, the whistles, the timber trestle, all add to the ambience that attracts me back to Timbertown. The expressions on children's faces as this real steam train chuffs around the Park is a joy to watch and cannot be lost to Timbertown.
ozdivergt Comment 5
11:08am, 17 July 2009
11It's time to bring Timbertown up into the 21st Century. Look at one of the most successful UK open air attractions for ideas on heritage - http://www.beamish.org.uk/Home.aspx. Also look at MAGNA in Rotherham UK a science facility based on the steel heritage of the South Yorkshire area - http://www.visitmagna.co.uk/. You must cater for families to be successful, parents have the biggest spending power and are greatly influenced by facilities. There should be a log flume, a gold mine attraction either a simulated ride or a real underground facility, a mini interactive hands on farm, a steam train rollercoaster type ride, better food outlets, a micro brewery (Little Brewing Company are ideal for ideas here), first class toilet facilities which include a parents room. There should be facilities for business - a full conference centre, meeting rooms that are fully catered, down the line perhaps a hotel / motel. There should be nightly fireworks during school holidays. A Christmas festival - markets - carol service and singing. Easter egg hunts and carnival. Make a kite weekend. Sheep shearing demonstrations. The list is endless. Keeping it as it is, is a way of saying "Let it close". If the council can spend millions on a micro theatre such as the glasshouse which caters more to the older generation / parents then it is time to spend millions on Timbertown and make it a WORLD CLASS attraction.
HappyHammer Comment 5.1
12:16pm, 17 July 2009
2Totally agree regular events particularly in the holidays will encourage repeat visits as the experience is changing all the time.
Also like the conference facilities idea as an opportunity to generate income.
If they can make a go of a park in the North-East where the weather is shocking we should have a headstart :-)
Bundy Comment 5.1.1
5:10pm, 17 July 2009
1We've just built a $60 million structure - why the hell do we need another?
Get real!
liz Comment 5.1.1.1
4:20pm, 21 July 2009
7Tfhere are thousands that didn't want the $60 million structure and many more thousands that would like to see Timbertown survive.
ozdivergt Comment 5.1.1.1.1
11:31am, 22 July 2009
2Timbertown has a unique heritage and position within the Hastings and Greater Port Macquarie area, and the potential to be a massive attraction for families. It is an all-day facility which offers something completely different to the Glasshouse (Bundy). You can see kids wandering round the art gallery or taking in a Shakespearean play during their school holidays can you? Port Macquarie / Hastings may be "populated" with a high proportion of older people but the tourist industry it catches has a much greater potential to attract families if the facilities are improved. The http://www.tra.australia.com/content/documents/DVS/First%20Round%20of%20Reports/VPS%20Reports/VPS_Greater_Port_Macquarie_FINAL.pdf for 2007/8 showed that the shoulder season had 51% of family visitors but the low season (naturally enough given that kids would be at school) was dominated by couples and over 45’s. Only 36% (shoulder) of visitors though it was a great place for families and only 34% visited due to the variety of things to do! Within those stats alone there is huge scope for family activity improvement. Let’s not forget about the people who live in the area either. There are only so many times you can visit the Glasshouse before becoming bored with the whole scene. For the area to be successful it is going to have to rely more and more on tourism. There is no industry in Port Macquarie to support the “supposed” massive influx of people moving to the area (the historical 5 year population growth average is 1.8% per annum) http://www.portmacquarieinfo.com.au/pages/facts-and-figures/ . I can attest personally to the lack of employment opportunities. After 18 months of near unemployment I am having to relocate to Goulburn for a 12 month contract and await the sale of my house in Port as it is clear to me that while it may be a beautiful place to live it is not able to sustain high levels of “quality” employment. It is a town for small business and small time education. Now that Southern Cross University and Charles Sturt have gone their separate ways on a new National Inland University what hope is there for the University of Port Macquarie? There is another massive spending group, students! Teens and people in their early twenties are the highest proportion of visitors to the Gold Coast. Then there is Sovereign Hills (3000 homes with 15,000 people over the next 15 years) or so the rumour goes! http://www.portnews.com.au/news/local/news/general/were-the-states-boom-town/1557576.aspx Where are they all going to work and play? Or is this going to be Australian’s first purpose built retirement village? An ageing population has higher demands on the medical infrastructure, an infrastructure which is already struggling to cope (http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/V3Key/LA20071127011). Besseling and Oakeshott fluffed up their feathers about the potential for airport expansion so that it can accommodate larger jet aircraft and increased visitor numbers. What are they all going to do? The council have to get behind facilities improvements and step up into the real world. Yes Port Macquarie is a beautiful place to live but without tourist dollars where is it’s future? Timbertown is already part way there, is just needs commitment and someone with the skill to sell the ideas. Commission a sensible feasibility study (which does not include the council tripping off on a nice jolly to see what everyone else in Australia is doing at the cost of thousands and thousands) and get on with it. The council has already landed a sizeable chunk of cash for tourism building http://www.hastings.nsw.gov.au/www/html/4126-10-february-2009-200000-to-build-tourism-demand.asp why not use some of that on real world investigation into what can be achieved on the Timbertown site?
hudswell-clarke Comment 5.1.1.1.1.1
10:46am, 8 August 2009
2Timbertown needs to remain a unique museum of the timber industry of Wauchope. It should not attempt to replicate any other attraction - and at present, it doesn't and so should be a continuing attraction in its own right.
But it does need to be widely advertised as an operating attraction - particularly through the surrounding holiday resorts and on the approaching highways / main roads.
Bob Comment 5.1.1.2
8:45am, 24 July 2009
4This is about Timbertown, not the Glasshouse.
important history Comment 5.1.1.3
11:26am, 4 August 2009
4Bundy you just don't get it Timbertown doesn't need 60 million and if council hadn't neglected since it reopened it would not need millions spent on it now. I don't agree that it needs millions spent on it, but some wonderful things could be done with millions to make it more attractive to YOU!!!
some of the brake down of the 15 million that council is quoting - 4 million dollars for a new front entrance- we don't want another glass house out the front!
5 million for a 5 star motel - why when there is one next door
I feel it needs an accredited education package with some dormitory style accomodation for both schools and corporate groups (bonding weekends) and a small over night caravan park something that Wauchope desperatley needs!!!
HappyHammer Comment 5.1.1.3.1
12:57pm, 6 August 2009
2I'd rather go to a conference held at timbertown than the Glasshouse and I've been to a lot of conferences.
I like the education package, bonding and caravan park ideas too.
hudswell-clarke Comment 5.1.1.3.2
11:01am, 8 August 2009
2$5 million can be saved immediately from the estimates by having any accommodation facilities constructed nearby by private business - IF it is needed. I would have thought that there is already suitable accommodation nearby, as well as it Wauchope itself and at Port Macquarie. Any "small overnight caravan park" would not be a core activity for Timbertown and should be left to others to undertake.
Highway billboards, airport and promotional signage ($50,000) is immediately essential in order to promote Timbertown and attract additional visitation.
Other proposed attractions could be staged, with the construction of an adventure centre ($100,000) and amphitheatre ($850,000) last on the list.
It would appear from the "Description of Compliance Related Issues" that Timbertown has been allowed to "run down" in recent years - and questions need to be asked: WHY and by WHOM? Who was responsible for the ongoing maintenance?
jasper Comment 5.2
10:33am, 20 July 2009
0I agree very strongly on the attractions & rides side of things but is there really room, financially, for another conference centre/meeting rooms?
There are already several in the Hastings area.
HappyHammer Comment 5.2.1
12:58pm, 6 August 2009
0As per response above I'd rather go to Timbertown than the glasshouse for a conference.
Bob Comment 5.3
8:43am, 24 July 2009
1All these things will bring visitors. The Glasshouse has nothing to do with Timbertown issues; please stay focused on the positive outcomes that can be achieved at Timbertown without personal views on other issues.
OldTimer Comment 6
8:15pm, 17 July 2009
11There are more visitors to Port Macquarie each year than there are to Timbertown
The issue is to get more visitor dollars for Timbertown
Timbertown is the major tourist attraction for Wauchope and the only one of its kind within a large travel radius
Yet Timbertown is very poorly promoted on the Pacific Highway
If you drive South from Blackman's Point turn off there is no major advertising billboard/hoarding for Timbertowm
There are two small signs just before the Doughnut and unless you were a local you would not know that Timbertown was not a country village like Adamstown
I suggest two large billboard advertisements on the highway for Timbertown (one south of the Doughnut and one north)
I suggest a medium size billboard at the east secondary roundabout near the Doughnut informing arriving visitors to Port Macquarie that Timbertown (Heritage Village) EXISTS!!!!
Hardrush Comment 7
1:28pm, 20 July 2009
3Not so sure about the action / ride attractions. I do think that there is considerable scope for holding music at the venue day and NIGHT (which is largely off the agenda). We'd be interested in developing some 3-day festivals therewhich could also assist in reducing the running costs which seem substantial for such as site.
HappyHammer Comment 7.1
10:17am, 22 July 2009
5A re-developed ampitheatre would be great for outdoor concerts.
JVO Comment 8
2:46pm, 20 July 2009
7There is an increasing need for school age children to be exposed to where things come from - ranging from our food does not come from the supermarket, chickens lay eggs, meat comes from animals and vegetables are grown in dirt. I think coupling the heritage aspects of Timbertown with some educational aspects, including a small working farm, with chooks, vege garden, fruit trees, including how trees are milled, how timber is felled, how houses are constructed could be of interest to educators. If we add the ecological aspects of managing the site and resources in line with good ecological practices we could have another money spinner. I do however think this needs a true commercial management
getreal Comment 8.1
9:52pm, 20 July 2009
1Vegie garden sounds great how about using a big GLASSHOUSE so we could harvest all year round.....only a suggestion
cyberiagirl Comment 8.2
9:34pm, 21 July 2009
3What about tying this in to an environmental/sustainability project? Food grown could be used to feed visitors etc.
Bob Comment 8.3
8:50am, 24 July 2009
1A good place to hold the Farmers Markets, a day when it could be free entry.
Family-of-5 Comment 9
12:58pm, 24 July 2009
4As a parent to 3 young children (6, 4 & 2) who grew up in the region myself (thank god peppermint park and fantasy glades existed then!!!), it really saddens me that there is such a lack of family facilities within the Hastings.
Timbertown could be such a wonderful place for families locally and visiting families also, it just needs management, community and council vision to take it to the height of possiblity.
I want my children to understand the history of this area, my family have lived here for generations, kids need interactive and fun activities that teach at the same time to achieve this.... YES Timbertown is about our past, and it always should be, but it NEEDS to save this area from the shallow excuse for a family holiday destination that it has become.
From travelling central Australia last year I missed the hastings, but it feels like such an empty space to raise my kids. Yes there's the beach, but with the small pitiful and sometimes unsafe children's playgrounds and the indoors play venues (nobody can afford to visit there all the time or would want their kids indoors every weekend) there has to be a way to create an outdoor haven for families and visitors alike to enjoy an abundance of activities and fun.
Stop thinking about teaching the past at Timbertown, it goes without saying that's the main aim, but branch out to consider what else could be on offer here for both old and YOUNG!!!
Music events - these would work so well at timbertown and very few music events are family orientated these days. Day and night concerts and festivals.
Skating Rink - That's one of the fondest memories many have of peppermint park.
Summer Drive in or deck chair Theatres - Surely there is enough land to create a unique outdoor theatre it would be great for summer.
Family Market Days - with egg and spoon races for the kids, old time show bags, buskers and local stalls
Local Farmers Market - What's to stop it being moved to timbertown every couple of months?
Kids HOliday workshops - Learn knitting, painting, drama any number of things that kids love, let them learn about things children did in the past in a fun hands on way.
Rides - As others have said, I think rides are an important part of growing timbertown.
That's just a few ideas for starters, there is so much more that could be created.
Do I think the entry price should increase - YES!! Not currently, but once improvements are done certainly, you can't take a family anywhere for $12 and expect it to be great, but if there were new rides and attractions then it would be worth paying more just to have the option of having somewhere fun and interactive to go.
Timbertown may be about the past, but we need to give it a bright and youthful families where young and old in the Hastings can create memories, because as it is, the lack of family facilities in this area is the one thing that ruins it and makes families want to move away.
HappyHammer Comment 9.1
1:02pm, 6 August 2009
2I'd also be happy to pay an increased gate fee for increased facilities. I take my family to Bago vineyards for jazz in the vines and the kids love it and we take visitors there too, would be delighted to be able to do the same at Timbertown.
Indi Comment 9.2
6:04pm, 10 August 2009
0Well put, Family-of-5!
rani Comment 10
11:54pm, 27 July 2009
1I have read many suggestions but find it almost impossible to agree or disagree, as most comments include so many related (and in some cases, unrelated) matters that I agree with parts and not with others. How about everybody participating in this forum tries to keep their suggestions more concise and, as far as possible, singular? Then others can make a choice and register their vote - or perhaps the moderators of this website could introduce a couple of options "partially agree" and "partially disagree"!
HappyHammer Comment 10.1
1:04pm, 6 August 2009
0Rani, just reply to the bit you agree or disagree with and people can agree or disagree with your point :-)
Grunta62 Comment 11
4:30pm, 31 July 2009
6I don't know of any other Historical Park similar to Timbertown left in the state. Timbertown is a unique icon and all available resources should be directed towards retaining this unique asset. An idea to activate greater usage of the park would be to construct dormitories where school children from all over the state and maybe interstate could come and stay and experience what it was like to live in a bygone era. What an excellent way to teach children about their heritage and provide a hands on experience to reinforce their understanding of the hardships that settlers and pioneers had to face. More activities that showcased primitive conditions could be added to existing facilities to further compliment the overall experience. Look at the success of the Ayers Rock development in the south where school children already visit. This region is crying out for something similar. The foundation whilst a little dated is already there!!!
alispice Comment 12
6:36pm, 10 August 2009
0We know there is a market for outdoor family entertainment in the area my suggestion would be to improve the facility along the lines of Longleat park in the UK which uses a passport ticket system. The passport ticket allows unlimited entries to the park but only one visit to each attraction, further visits to each attraction are then subject to an additional charge but entry to the park itself is still free. With regard to the attractions both the peddle boats and the train should be re-instated and a large wooden adventure playground constructed. Either as a castle (Longleat) or a boat as in Bowood House in the UK. Both of these can be researched on the net as they are working models and successfully operating businesses. Other attractions could include ghost tours and concerts. This still leaves OHS and insurance issues. These should be assessed on a risk assessment basis and prioritised accordingly with the costs established for high medium and low risk issues. With high risk being treated as immediate. New businesses/ activities can also be assessed in the same manner and a cost benefit analysis carried out. With the strong focus on tourism I believe it is imperative for the future success of the area that Timbertown is saved.
