http://pmhclistening.com.au/comment/index BangTheTable.com - Providing the community and government with a new way to engage in public policy debate http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on bills said "I agree with most of the respondents that council should live within its means by cutting staff and unnecessary expenditure. Has anyone looked at the rental presumably paid for about 10 years for the fence around the great hole next to Central Shopping Centre? Would it not have been cheaper to erect a fence which could then have been used for future projects? Why is mowing of the whole area at the end of Thrumster Street continuing. Surely it should be restricted to only the distance specified for protection of homes under the fire ordinances. How has the environment levy been expended in recent years and could this not reasonably be applied to mass plantings in suitable areas to reduce ongoing mowing costs? The manner in which road holes are filled are a waste of money and is an issue which has been raised with council by many residents on numerous occasions. They should be tamped down level so that the first car does not rip it out." 2011-12-23 16:09:32 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on gladys said "I agree with Ratepayer, we are told Council is "getting back to basics". Well, stop the rhetoric and do it. Re-arrange your finances so roads and parks get the money they deserve, then ask us to vote on the other areas of expenditure!!" 2011-12-23 11:54:49 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Strategy said "The Glasshouse provides benefits to the local commumity now and into the future that not everyone can appreciate. That does not mean that the Glasshouse should not exist or be downgraded. It does mean that Council has to be very transparent about its income/expenditure and show continuous improvement in its management." 2011-12-22 17:03:30 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Davidh9000 said "Johns, the fact you asked not to be sent the brochure doesn't stop them being printed, it just means they throw more of them way. Your cancelling the brocure will not have resulted in one brochure less being printed and ineed if EVERYONE on their mailing list requested email advice in preference to a glossy brochure on the most expensive paper, the council would not stop having them printed. Sadly THAT is exactly the problem with government bodies, (see www.fix-oz.com ) they spend money because it is there to spend and it increases their individual power when they do that. The more YOUR department has in its budget and the more staff under you, the more important you are. In the real business world you tend to account for every penny and spend as LITTLE as possible, because the money you don't spend is what you live on. Whilst I applaud your decision to stop receiving a brochure, my bet is that every month thousands of dollars are spent on sending out mail to a select few and indeed if PMHC is like most other government bodies I will also lay odds that each member of their mailing list receives several letters a month, because they wouldnt think for a second to hold them all back and do one mail out, any more than they would consider using cheaper paper for their brocures or suggesting to their mailing list to use email instead. PMHC seriously believe they have trimmed all the fat and will apply for a rate increase in excess of the 3% because nobody in a position to stop the waste even recognises it and I don't JUST mean the Glasshouse costs either. And because IPART is as blind to waste as the Council, just like the idiots who authorised a pay rise to our federal politicians, they will approve the increase requested regardless of how unnecessary it actually is. All these sad little men justifying their over paid positions and we get to pay for all their mistakes. What a delightful situation." 2011-12-22 16:59:01 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Strategy said "Aspiring Councillors should have Council answer the question "Are we doing the Right Thing" then the question "How well are we doing it". Agree that it is time to define what activities we want Council to engage in and what can be discarded. Councils tend to add responsibilities and never take the hard decisions by dropping programmes for fear of annoying some vocal ratepayers. Running to other levels of government for assistance ultimately causes a cost burdon to the same Australian taxpayers. Assuming effiency or inefficiency at Council without facts is not appropriate although candidate Adam Roberts already has his opinion it seems. I wonder, for example - without the facts- whether Council is now paying more for its heritage responsibilities with staff/"consultants" than before its restructuring. Perhaps a candidate will commit to reviewing that as part of the broader review of essestial/desirable functions? " 2011-12-22 16:48:58 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Strategy said "Come on Stargazer. If you have some real facts about wasteful practices why not air them here. Better still would be to raise them with the Administrator as nothing will happen after self-interested councillors are elected. perhaps you and your mates are just whinging without having any basis in fact?" 2011-12-22 16:36:07 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Strategy said "Let's get past expensive "written reports being prepared and mailed out". Council should use the technology available to communicate and put the savings to repairing roads etc." 2011-12-22 16:31:15 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program johns said "I had the same problem with glossy brochures and mailouts BUT it took only one email to the glasshouse to send all information by email and the glossy brochures stopped. Its always easy to blame someone else and not take action yourself. Lets ALL be responsible. Council staff do respond to suggestions." 2011-12-22 15:58:49 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Nomoremoney said "Yet again, the Council has only one remedy to finding additional monies for the provision of services. Hit the rate-payers once more! The “have your say” brochure issued by Council and paid for by the long-suffering rate-payers is surely a joke! It does not represent consultation with the rate-payers as Council have decided the rate-payers should only be given three options that Council, themselves have chosen - take it or leave it! Everyone that I have spoken with would prefer a different option to those offered up by Council. We all know that the current significant financial pressure faced by Council is a direct result of the “Glasshouse” debacle whereby we, as a community, are paying for a monumental folly due to Council’s inability to make appropriate financial management decisions coupled with inadequate consultation with the community and total disregard for the concerns of the majority of the rate-payers who did not want the “Glasshouse” in the first place. Is this disregard for the opinions of the community to be repeated by Council with this current suggested rate rise situation? We are told that the averages referred to are based on residential rates within the area. Obviously, the commercial property rates would be included in the proposed increases at a time when many commercial property owners find themselves without tenants or at best are struggling to obtain acceptable returns on properties. Additional holding costs will be passed onto the tenant who will in turn pass those costs onto the consumer via service cost increases. There is no doubt in my mind that should the suggested rates be applied, job losses within the business sector will follow. Put dubious land tax assessments on top of rates, together with the unrealistic Section 94 contributions that this Council charge and one can understand why building applications within the Port Macquarie-Hastings area are at an all time low. According to the Council flyer, should the suggested increases be implemented, they would be compoundable over the five year period with the result that the rate value would have more than doubled by the end of the five years. New NSW Valuer-General property valuations are due to be re-assessed in 2012. Given that almost all property values in recent years have fallen, in some cases significantly, one could actually expect that rates would be lowered accordingly. Perhaps that is the real unmentioned concern of Council. " 2011-12-22 10:24:48 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on KAP said "With Council's latest attempt to extort even more rates with a permanent 10 % rise, isn't it time that the Administrator, and the GM, learnt to stop thinking with their blinker on and started to think laterally. Perhaps there is another way of doing things instead of just asking for more money – eg 'living within their means' – just as the rest of us need to do. Surely it is gross incompetence to do otherwise as many a European country is experiencing right now. Council's glossy and no doubt expensive-to-produce and deliver Future Services Brochure claims that if “no increase is approved”, Council would need to cut $2.5m and cites “reduced expenditure on assets such as roads” at the top of the list. Given the abysmal condition of our roads and the very public outcry about that potentially dangerous situation – this is, I believe, a case of emotional black-mail against the rate-payers. Seeking to justify its needs for an extra 1.7M to 3.4M depending on which option ratepayers vote for in the loaded and biased Port Macquarie Listening Survey, combined with Council's publication Fact Sheet – Rate Options whereby it is Council's plan to install traffic lights at a cost of $1.75 on Hastings River Drive at the road to the airport - eats a very large chunk out of any rate increase granted - or, if not granted, the threatened 2.5M cuts. Many long-term residents ask, “Why traffic lights - when a round- about at a fraction of the cost would suffice?” Perhaps it is explained by Council's long standing attitude that they think Traffic lights are progress and one step closer to city status – something Council has aspired to ???perhaps because of rivalry with Coffs Harbour which has city status. Council staff also appear to have displayed incompetence in preparing their forward budget / expenditure list, as the Fact Sheet – Rate Options available on Council's web site has what would appear to be a case of double=accounting with “Undertake a site options study for centralised parking stations Port Macquarie” - cost $200,000 listed twice. If this is the actual case, I have just saved Council $200K in one hit. Maybe that deserves a rate decrease? Failing all else, Council (our Local Government) could always do what other levels of government do - sell off their assets (particularly their “cash-cows”) to pay off their debts and to meet budgets. In this regard, Council could perhaps sell off its airport, to say, Macquarie Airports (great name). A Quote from Council's documents dated May 2011: - “Appointing a General Manager and bringing some stability to the organisation is what I set as my first priority and I'm confident that ( name supplied) will bring a great degree of experience and professionalism to the role” said the Administrator. "The interview panel agreed unanimously to offer the position to (name supplied) citing his experience in negotiating major airline deals in the Whitsundays and leading a major regional Council as just some of the strengths he will bring to our Council” he added.. It would therefore seem that all is not lost . We are in good hands with the GM, already having experience with airports. It is certainly my understanding from enquiries that in his previous life as CEO of Whitsunday Council, had lengthy but costly “experience” in selling an airport. If this is fact, then the question needs to be asked, “Did the Administrator apply due diligence when appointing him?” It would certainly seem to me that their respective performances to date leave something to be desired and I am convinced that the average ratepayers' desire is surely NOT a rate increase but ... more compentent and judicious management of Council's financial resources. Perhaps this could be achieved by Council reverting to a Back to Basics policy. " 2011-12-18 06:24:00 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on beachbag said "I'd be interested to know the actual % of ratepayers who actively support ANY further money being spent on the running of the Glasshouse. I think by far, the majority would rather lose that money absorbing building and for council get on with the real business council is charged with....Not providing arts and entertainment to a few, rather, using our rates wisely for all Hastings residents benefit!! " 2011-12-13 01:31:58 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on whip said "I am not an accountant but if the council sold the Glasshouse , even if it is at a loss. When you weigh up the savings the council would save in running cost and maintenance charges, they would recoup the money in a few years and this money could than be channeled into more important areas. The one thing that the council seems to forget is that they are suppose to work for the rate payers and manage our funds wisely, if they worked for private firms I doupt that they would be still employed. Lets hope that the council for once listens to the rater payer and pays heed to the comments that have been put forward and not ignore them like they have done in the past and do just what they wont" 2011-12-12 18:26:44 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on rcflyer said "Amazing!!!!!!!!!!! I had my comment removed as I gave out the contact details for IPART who are the State Government Body that will approve or I hope, dissaprove council's bid to increase our rates. Seeing I can't list the contact details for IPART I suggest that those who are unhappy with the process use a search engine to find IPART's home page and follow the links to the feedback section. If this is consultation I'm a Dutchman." 2011-12-12 14:58:42 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on rcflyer said "jimbo, Don't you think the "sculpture" screams Port Macquarie? Why have dolphins, whales, surfers or something depicting the timber industry when you can have something that doesn't know which way is up..........or down? I believe it depicts an ancient Native American ledgend where the Thunderbird is believed to have lifted a tee pee into the air and sent it crashing back down onto another in the camp like the nose cone of a rocket returning to earth? Maybe a white elephant in glass could have better set the tone?" 2011-12-12 14:20:56 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on seward said "I agree with a lot of the previous comments which challenges the approach taken by the Administrator. I see it almost as a threat, viz agree to a rate rise or no more services. Before I agree to any additional increase in rates I want to have the right to elect a Council which is connected and accountable to the community. Council also needs to demonstrate that it has taken all steps to eliminate waste, has dispensed with non essential services , sold assets surplus to requirement and reviewed all staff positions. I have seen nothing in any of the literature so far which sets out what Council has done or is doing to reduce cost. The only proposal seems to be to up rates by a minimum of14.5% and maybe some of the most urgent roadworks will be done. Consultation is not a one way exercise. " 2011-12-10 17:10:39 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Sven said "Haven't read through all the comments but have similar perspective to Asparagus64 - namely the implicit assumption is that council could not do more with the same funds, or the same with less funds. Businesses are focusing more than ever on continuous improvement, productivity gains and maximising efficiency. Rather than present as an unequivocable fact that projects need to be sacrificed if above-CPI revenue increases are not maintained, why not seek efficiency gains and/or focus on existing non-value add functions within council to at least mitigate against the potential revenue "drop". As a sporting facilities user I am very dissatisfied with the services I have been getting for my rapidly increasing rates relative to ratepayers in other councils. Ratepayers continue to be burdened by the glasshouse, which whilst water under the bridge, leaves council with an arguably greater obligation to ratepayers to demonstrate they are operating efficiently if they expect those ratepayers to support their claims for extraordinary increases. The key concept is value to the consumer. If I am satisfied that I am receiving reasonable value for my rates, I will object far less to paying more." 2011-12-08 11:31:44 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on inneslake said "The local roads would not be in the stae they are if they stopped patching roads and doing a proper job. The intersection of Oxley Hwy and Ruins Way is terrible. They just keep patching the holes up, and next time it rains, they get washed out again. Why can't they hotmix the section and make it last longer? The roundabout at The Point Dr and Ruins Way is also terrible. Not constructed properly for the traffic that uses it eg buses. With the amount of development that is happening out Innes Lake way ie Brierley Hill Estate, the road network is not keeping pace with the number of residents. If I was to vote for a rate increase, I'd like it to be spent on proper road works that will stand the test of time and not just patching jobs." 2011-12-08 11:24:11 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program patwun said "sell glasshouse- reduce staff- focus on basis services- roads and rubish- stop trying to be a mini state and federal government." 2011-12-08 08:18:23 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on mentalhugo said "Is the answer we are looking for, to increase the budget to a council, that can't manage its current income? We are currently paying some of the highest rates in NSW. Why does the council think that throwing more money at it will solve all its problems. Before the ratepayer should foot the bill for increases the council should prove that it is able the manage the income it already receives. " 2011-12-07 16:52:57 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on jimbo said "I,me afraid I don,t have confidence that money raised does not have a high percentage of waist ,Like $80,000 dollars spent on that heap of metal erected at the beginning of the new Oxley Highway, plus I think your upgrading of the old oxley hwy means popping a bit of tar into the pot holes after it rains DO THE JOB PROPERLY IN THE FIRST PLACE." 2011-12-07 10:23:09 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Davidh9000 said "Kendall, I would imagine the immediate response from the public would be to get cremated and have their ashes scattered. (Well maybe not immediate, they might wait till they die first). What is the old saying about two certainties in life, paying tax and dying? At least your idea would blend the two. Of course if we don't fancy being cremated, we could always just bequeath that our carcus's be laid to rest against the doors of the council offices. That way there would be no cemetary fees payable and the powers that be in Burrawan Street would have a lasting (if slightly smelly) reminder of the effect their rates increase has on the public. " 2011-12-06 10:24:01 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Davidh9000 said "Bobjan, The reason no figures on the Glasshouse are given out is the waste continues unabated. They continue to produce brochures using the most expensive glossy full coloured paper for the list few who might actually be interested in anything that is happening there. They have even had some of these brochures arrive AFTER the event they were meant to advertise has ended, so the entire bundle were only suitable for throwing in the bin. The problem with any government organisation is the fact they put no value on the money they spend and will pay for the best of everything without even giving it a second thought. This is the attitude that creates the shortage of funds, but the Council doesnt care about that either, because all they have to do is increase the rates AGAIN, And who has the final decision on whether the increase gets approved? Why, it's the State Government of course - ANOTHER Government body and as such another body with no regard for the publics hard earned money. Does ANYONE actually think the council is going to take any notice of the opinions being voiced in these pages? Well, if you do, I can only assume you think the fat guy in the red suit is REAL and you cant wait for Easter when the Bunny will hop up with your Easter Eggs!" 2011-12-06 10:16:50 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program dogdougall said "This proposal assumes that the community has the physical ability and the resources, including time, to maintain these areas to an agreed standard. An ageing demographic along low socio-economic families could limit a locality's ability to maintain shared spaces. Where would the liability lie if someone was injured as a result of the community maintenance program - with Council or with the community? Like many others in Port Macquarie, I already maintain a (wooded) nature strip (which are maintained by Councils in many Sydney LGA's) and pay council fees for excess green waste that won't fit into as a result. There is already an opportunity for community to adopt an area and it's called Landcare. " 2011-12-06 09:34:19 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Robb said "Privatize road upgrades and major road maintenance; reduce council activities to minor repairs and basic maintenance (e.g. fill potholes); supervise contracters work by qualified engineers. Advantage: Cost reduction (fixed cost item), definite time frame, As a negative example please analyse road project 'LORNE ROAD'. Option 3 would then be OK." 2011-12-06 09:31:39 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program bobjan said "The most alarming council activity is the Glasshouse, we are not advised of the financial & operating costs which take funds from road maintenance. You say the council is listening, however you do not advise us of the complete budget facts, where current rate income is spent. Be honest with ratepayers please. Thanking you in anticipation" 2011-12-06 09:26:06 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on dogdougall said "I'm disappointed that Council cannot be more specific about the impacts on the other key budget categories that would be trimmed to fund road works. Could this suggest that Council has not seriously considered operating wihtout a rate increase as an option? So Council, how about more transparency and fact and less emotive rhetoric on these impacts. Could council explain why a roundabout is not the preferred solution for the Boundary St and Hastings River Drive intersections when it is preferred solution on a number of higher traffic routes including the Hospital, TAFE and Clifton Drive." 2011-12-06 09:05:00 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program bromeliad said "The rate increase should not be permanent and should only be applied until the backlog in road maintenance has been resolved. After which rates should be reduced. In any event rate payers monies should be used efficently and not wasted." 2011-12-05 17:58:30 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Kendall said "I’d like to throw an idea into this forum for a way that Council could raise revenue that may help alleviate the need to raise rates. Council could advertise the sale of cemetery plots, and allow residents to pay them off in monthly, quarterly or yearly instalments. There is much advertising of funeral insurance these days, and purchasing a final resting place would be in competition with this. Council would get an increase in revenue while ratepayers, and tenants, would get something tangible for their money, while easing the financial burden on their family when their time comes. While this would be, in a way, taking money now that Council would eventually get anyway, it may help to ease the current problem. But, Council would need to be very careful not to factor in the increase in revenue as a permanent income, as it would be likely to decrease in future years. " 2011-12-05 17:50:26 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Kendall said "I believe that there are better solutions to our Council’s money problems than forcing a rate rise on us with the threat of losing important services if we do not accept this. The water fluoridation plant should be scrapped, even at a loss. Council should never have implemented this expensive infrastructure without asking ratepayers first. I understand that the ongoing cost related to the fluoridation scheme is substantial. The Glasshouse is a luxury that we cannot afford if it means that there will be cuts in such things as ‘traffic planning’, support for ‘rural towns and villages’ and so much more that is clearly more relevant to most ratepayers. " 2011-12-05 17:01:21 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Jai C said "Community maintenance of assets is of definite benefit. As an example, Council's efforts are significantly enhanced by the contribution of urban and rural landcare volunteers to the condition of the reserves. One benefit is the leveraging of external funding. A community group contributing volunteer in-kind can leverage funding from state and federal sources further enhancing local projects and providing employment outcomes. Another benefit is the social cohesion. Community volunteers working on projects can develop connections. It also overcomes the passivity and disengagement from Council activities. For example, sports clubs involved in the maintenance of their fields gain another activity to boost their social bonds as well as take greater ownership in the asset and also learn empathy for Council staff. This has the extra benefit of likely vandalism reductions. Challenges of these programs include quality control and occupational health and safety. These can be overcome by establishing sound practices and procedures, eg. as done by Landcare, Conservation Volunteers, etc. when working on Council assets." 2011-12-05 16:40:31 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Jai C said "I would like the reporting mechanism to be split into how Council is addressing demand side management (i.e. treating the cause - vehicular traffic) as opposed to only reporting the building of new roads or road maintenance (treating the symptoms). For example, a comparative costing of how money is spent on public transport, cycleways, planning for urban consolidation, other transport alternatives compared to what we spend on roads for motorised transport. Get used to poor roads folks, it's just a reality... an assumed expansion of the road network, further enhancing car dependency, in a climate with a 60" annual rainfall, is setting us up for a concurrently expanding maintenance burden. Given the looming global energy and debt crises, a future with more potholes and less car travel is a likelihood. Even if this scenario doesn't eventuate, a future with a burgeoning girth (obesity) and class disparity is likely. Reporting on how Council is treating the cause in one column and the symptoms in the other. A simple comparative. " 2011-12-05 16:02:58 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on bobb said "Provide information on how Council has improved productivity and efficiency in project delivery and how this is reflected in the particular road upgrading project. Provide information on how the particular project aligns with Council's overall road improvement strategy and on the criteria for determining the project's priority. Provide information on the procurement process to demonstrate "best value" has been achieved. Provide information that key performance indicators (KPIs) have been established and that the project delivery is contributing positively to the attainment of these KPIs. " 2011-12-04 20:13:00 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on rethink said "First I would like to be reassured that the money raised is being held in secure investments and not mismanaged as previously to lose so much in dodgy investment decisions...who is accountable?" 2011-12-04 15:53:39 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Clarebelle said "While I agree with several previous comments (disagree with a rate increase, agree with Council improving its current value-for-money, agree that survey questions are loaded, agree on not enough thread options in this forum), there was one omission that annoyed me even more which no-one has mentioned. Why can't there be an option in the survey for agreeing with a smaller increase or a short-term increase? At this stage, the options are keep it at the CPI pegged rate or have a *permanent* increase of 7.3%. What about an increase for 1, 2 or 3 years, and/or looking at options of 4-6% increases?" 2011-12-04 15:25:56 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on exfarmer said "Local newspapers are the most efficient to spread the news. If a rate increase application is successful, or if it's NOT successful I want my bit of roadway, the muddiest, dustiest, most neglected section of Lord St kerbed and guttered. Check out Lord St near the koala hospital on Google Earth. You won't find a worse eyesore of very busy road. There is no safe surface for mothers with prams, nor the elderly to walk and yet council is talking about enhancing pedestrian safety on Lord St. Obviously another part of Lord St. " 2011-12-03 23:47:54 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Davidh9000 said "I have no idea how long the council intends to allow this forum to run, but there is one very clear and almost unanimous opinion coming through and that is NO RATE INCREASE should be considered!! It can't be more obvious to anyone reading the 36 offerings to date that the public is speaking with a clear majority saying NO RATE INCREASE! Post after post have made the effort to have their say because the survey didn't allow the option of not increasing rates and for council to not be sitting down on Monday and realising that an increase can not be considered any more, would be an abuse of the very forum the council has put in place here. If this current council were to ignore that, then the rate payers should refuse to pay the increase and quote this site as justification. There is NO need for an increase as there are more than adequate funds IF they are utilized correctly. And before anyone votes for our new councillors, check to make sure they are opposed to an increase in rates, are ready and willing to cut back on staffing levels and are not of the blindly stupid opinion the council is run efficiently at the moment, because anyone with half a business brain can see that it isnt." 2011-12-03 19:16:14 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Childs said "Can anyone in the Pm-Hastings Council honestly say that they are happy with the condition of the roads, pathways, roundabouts, as a good example the new roundabout on Oxley Drive at the Base hospital, along with the grass verges are in a disgraceful state, with the height of the grass, weeds ect. A very poor sight for the locals and for the tourist, not to mention also a driving hazard. Come on Council get out the gardeners and keep Port Mac a place to be proud of, and not a poor neglected city." 2011-12-03 17:17:27 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on essential services said "I totally agree with a number of comments below including asparagus64 "The problem with Council's proposals regarding rate variations, permanent or otherwise, is that all the options assume Council is operating 100% efficiently in the delivery of current services. I don't recall any evidence being provided to support this assumption. Until Council is able to provide reasonable metrics (including benchmarking against other Councils' delivery of services) that support this assumption, I don't believe it's appropriate to be discussing permanent rate increases." Council does need to be transparent and provide data to the community. Secondly, wasn't the new GM going back to basic, providing basic services? I also agree with AGX, we are paying one of the highest council rates in Australia. Surely, we must see the beneifts. Instead, Council is asking for more money!! Council firstly must look inside its own structure. Council sold Timbertown, surely the Glasshouse must be looked at. It isn't an essential service. It's costing ratepayers dearly and in the private sector as a business it would have been sold off well before now. Lets get back to basics, review staffing at Council, restructure middle management and get more people on the ground. Sell off property owned by council and any non essential services need to be reviewed and put on ice until you can get into a positive. The private sector can't put thier hand out for additional funds, we take pay cuts and review our operation- this is were you need to start first before you come to the communty wanted additional money.We didn't need to spend $100,000plus on a skate park at this time! This could be 3-4 new people on the ground. Lets get back to basics, restructure council staffing, frezze non essential service, sell off property and loss making non essentional ventures and be transparent before you want more from already one of the highest rate payers in Australia." 2011-12-03 17:09:37 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Retsel said "Community assets is a very broad description and would no doubt include the "Glasshouse" which is already a massive drain on council's resources. I believe that some community assets are over funded in comparison to their benefit to the overall community and it is time to consider a higher level of 'user pay' sytem for some amenities. If we consider the percentage make up of various ratepayers in our community it is obvious that some sections receive a far greater share of councils funds than others and it is time that this was properly analysed and addressed. No doubt some minority groups with vested interests would not like having to pay their fair share but it would help make the councils funds go further to the benefit of all. Let's have a survey on this, but it should be done while we still have an administrator otherwise politics and 'pork barrelling' will ensure we never get a fair system." 2011-12-03 12:43:03 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Retsel said "First it would seem that the framimg of the questions both here and in the survey are an attempt to narrow the area of comments and while it is appreciated that it would be impractical to have a completely open ended discussion the bias is very obvious and not a good starting point if the aim is to encourage broad feedback. I agree with the comments of "ecoprisoner" 22 Nov. There should be a greater emphasis on the needs of our local community particularly considering the high percentage of retirees, the so called flow on benefits to the general community from the influx of tourists is a myth. Regarding reporting back to the ratepayers, surely the council can use editorial space in the local press and press releases to the local radio stations without spending more money on elaborate coluored brochures." 2011-12-03 12:17:53 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on rcflyer said "I believe the "elephant in the room" is the Glass House (White or Glass Elephant). Before council looks to increase rates it should immediately divest itself of this substantial and ongoing burden to the rate payer. Even taking a loss on expenditure to date is better than the never ending and growing financial impost of this ill concieved project." 2011-12-03 11:46:04 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Ruthy said "Council may have funds if they didn't pay out so much towards the Administrators expenses ie new cars and all expenses. We are still paying for a glasshouse that most residents never wanted. Council need to stop wasting ratepayers funds and start looking after our local area and our residents......" 2011-12-03 08:26:39 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on stargazer said "rural peasants unite! Plenty of focus on the bigger towns/city while the peasants slip back to having to take the turnips to market on horseback. The fat needs to be trimmed from council! Talk to someone who is employed by council (and honest enough to speak up) and they will soon tell you how much wastage there is." 2011-12-03 08:12:46 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on beachbag said "I completely agree with your thoughts. I suspect the resurface of Ocean Drive south of the golf course was to make the ever growing list of triathlete competitors happy. Whilst these 'athletes' enjoy their activities and Port enjoys the boost to their business activity, without any real inconvenience to Port residents, us 'southern' rate payers put up with all day road closures and bike riders training on our narrow, pothole riddled roads, usually for 5-7 days before the event. Very dangerous for both locals attempting to drive their vehicles to go about their business and the novice, dedicated peddlers. Well planned and thought through 'Hastings' Council!!! " 2011-12-02 21:38:01 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on PAG said "Firstly, I'd like to say that this so called "discussion" forum does not sit well with me. Why are we given just two "feel good" questions on which to respond? For sure most participants in a discussion forum like this, as is evident, have much to add that does not fit within these questions. And, when one does pose a question, as I'm about to do, will someone from Council respond or are they leaving it to users to just chat amongst themselves? Looking at the Rate Options Fact Sheet one is left with more questions than answers. What exactly is "our base rate"? Looking at my own recent rate notice it lists a Residential Rate (Defined Urban) which is calculated from the VG's property value, it also lists a Residential Base Rate, then an Environmental Base Rate followed closely by a list of other charges. So please, will someone tell me what is the "Base Rate" on which Council is basing its calculations? Next, from my analysis of the figures used in the Rate Options Fact Sheet it appears the average Base Rate considered in their figuring is $320.40 ($33/10.3 x 100) ... (am I on the right track here?). Then they prattle on optimistically about we rate payers agreeing to a further $50 or $75, or $100 average rate rise. By this do they mean a further rate rise of say $50 for the rate payer who's present average Base Rate is $320.40? Why am I interested to know? Obviously, if average means just that, then rate payers whose rates are higher than average (as in the case of most self funded retirees ... and there are a lot of us) then that $50 is likely to be something in the order of $60-$80 extra. I'd like to respond to the survey but not until I have clear information. Can anyone help? Any authorised Council staff reading this? BTW, based on an average Base Rate of $320.40, a 10.3% hike plus a mere $50 extra per year amounts to a total increase of 25.9%, or with a $100 extra bit an increase of just 41.5% (not bad if you can get it). Now for us self funded retirees, and of course Gov't subsidised pensioners, wouldn't it be lovely to see an annual increase in your pension in the order of just 10% let alone 41% ... in our dreams. I think you can see where we're going with this Mr Administrator. Enough's enough. " 2011-12-02 21:32:12 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on coachoz said "Let's get clear that council has NOT adopted a process of genuine consultation. Essentially they are giving ratepayers an ultimatum - "the roads will only get better if you agree to a rate increase - your choice as to how large the increase will be". As someone who has run his own businesses for almost 40 years (mostly in the area of finance), I am simply appalled by the local council's approach to financial matters. A person running a business does not go to customers when times are tough and ask them what level of price increase they would prefer! A good business will look to maximise efficiency at all levels from staff to questioning every single existing and proposed expense. For example: do we really need more traffic lights and roundabouts? Do we really need to pay rangers to book people who try to sell their cars by the roadside with the fines going to the state government? Do we really need to pay for ever more Council staff just to regulate us more and more? Did we really need to completely resurface Ocean Drive south of the golf course? And why are potholes already reappearing just north of the Lake Cathie Medical Centre when the resurfacing has only just been finished? And the Glasshouse - words fail me! I really do wonder what I pay rates for as all I get is a garbage collection and have the thrill of dodging potholes on Ocean Drive south of Houston Mitchell Drive and on Houston Mitchell drive as well. Oh and what about Hay Street in Port near the fire station and Albert Circuit in Port? I recently drove over 3,000 kilometers through rural NSW and Victoria and sad to say the worst roads by far are right here at home. Councils past and present should hang their heads in shame over the state of our roads and their poor financial management. Lets prioritise the basic infrastructure rather than poor work practices and bureaucrats!" 2011-12-02 20:35:37 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/article/port-macquarie-visitor-information-centre-wins-rod-murdoch-award beachbag said "Interesting. How do the many tourists towing caravans park their vehicles in the CBD? They'd need to park somewhere close by I'd assume, in order to access advice from the wonderful staff at the Glasshouse. Where would the 'caravan friendly' parking be?" 2011-12-02 19:11:07 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on beachbag said "Two days ago I paid the $556 quarterly rate notice imposed by Hastings Council. That money would have provided groceries for us for one month. So Hastings Council currently takes 4 months worth of grocery money from my family annually. Apparently this is not enough! In return for my expensive rate payments, as a Bonny Hills resident I receive garbage collection and very little else. The roads south of Houston Mitchell Drive are an unmaintained mess, they are dangerous and have been patched up, but never fixed properly for well over 30 years. Council cannot argue that this is due to their current lack of funds. This is due to their long history of mismanagement and their habit of wasting money on non-essential goods and services. (Think the fund absorbing Glasshouse enjoyed by few rate payers, weird sculptures, expensive consultants to perform the work of the very busy permanent staff, glossy brochures particularly one received yesterday). Since amalgamation 30 years ago Wauchope, Bonny Hills, Camden Haven and Dunbogan have been the poor relations and it's not getting any better. Yet Council thinks we should pay higher rates to fix the problems??? I don't think so....Tighten your belt Hastings Council and stop wasting our hard earned cash on things we don't need or want! " 2011-12-02 17:52:09 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program brodie said "We have just filled in council's survey for options on rate increases and feel that the rates should not increase rates by more than the inflation rate. Our household has to live within it's means and we expect the council to live within it's means. If the council wants to save money they should ask for expressions of interest from private investors and rid themselves of the Glasshouse and it's debt." 2011-12-02 17:22:12 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Chelly said "Encourage rate payers to register their email address and then send out a monthly newsletter, keeps costs down and keeps rate payers informed." 2011-12-02 17:04:17 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Relly said "This suggestion concerns me greatly. Why should the community pick up the shortfall? I saw nothing in the information brochure to suggest cost cutting measures of current services, only 3 options of rate increases. If a household can't afford its current standard of living it adjusts its spending. It works out what are the priorities and essentials and looks at whether there are cheaper alternatives or even cuts out some things altogether as a last resort before looking at what additional things it can spend its money on. As a part of this community I would like to see the efforts and options on doing the same for the community. If ALL of these services are essential, then its OK to request a rate rise but as a last resort, not a first option. As a rate payer I think it would be great to see an Adopt a Road or Park if that meant that some of the non rate payers who utilise the towns amenities chip in for their community, but if there was not enough support to keep it maintained to a safe and satisfactory standard does council then step back in to take responsibility? I would like to see more detail on the costs of this maintenance and how much it would save (if anything) to pass it on to the community. Who would maintain the big Norfolk Pine trees? " 2011-12-02 14:24:24 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on noRateIncrease said "I would like to add my comment that council should not be looking at any rate increase but instead should be looking to work within their budget. The Glasshouse loses millions of dollars each year - let's mothball it and spend the money on roads. I vote for living within the budget and no increase this year, not 7%, not 3% and not 4% - I vote for no increase and work within budget." 2011-12-02 11:08:34 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on noRateIncrease said "All the options are for increased rates. How about an option of "no increase" and use the money you do get more efficiently! For instance the Glasshouse runs at a huge loss and only services a small number of Port's residents. Why not mothball the Glasshouse and spend the savings on roads...? I don't want to spend my rates on the 5% of Ports residents that use the Glasshouse - I want it spent on the 95% who use our roads. Good roads are good for tourism too." 2011-12-02 11:01:01 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on PAG said "Firstly, I'd like to say that this so called "discussion" forum does not sit well with me. Why are we given just two "feel good" questions on which to respond? For sure most participants in a discussion forum like this, as is evident, have much to add that does not fit within these questions. And, when one does pose a question, as I'm about to do, will someone from Council respond or are they leaving it to users to just chat amongst themselves? Looking at the Rate Options Fact Sheet one is left with more questions than answers. What exactly is "our base rate"? Looking at my own recent rate notice it lists a Residential Rate (Defined Urban) which is calculated from the VG's property value, it also lists a Residential Base Rate, then an Environmental Base Rate followed closely by a list of other charges. So please, will someone tell me what is the "Base Rate" on which Council is basing its calculations? Next, from my analysis of the figures used in the Rate Options Fact Sheet it appears the average Base Rate considered in their figuring is $320.40 ($33/10.3 x 100) ... (am I on the right track here?). Then they prattle on optimistically about we rate payers agreeing to a further $50 or $75, or $100 average rate rise. By this do they mean a further rate rise of say $50 for the rate payer who's present average Base Rate is $320.40? Why am I interested to know? Obviously, if average means just that, then rate payers whose rates are higher than average (as in the case of most self funded retirees ... and there are a lot of us) then that $50 is likely to be something in the order of $60-$80 extra. I'd like to respond to the survey but not until I have clear information. Can anyone help? Any authorised Council staff reading this? BTW, based on an average Base Rate of $320.40, a 10.3% hike plus a mere $50 extra per year amounts to a total increase of 25.9%, or with a $100 extra bit an increase of just 41.5% (not bad if you can get it). Now for us self funded retirees, and of course Gov't subsidised pensioners, wouldn't it be lovely to see an annual increase in your pension in the order of just 10% let alone 41% ... in our dreams. I think you can see where we're going with this Mr Administrator. Enough's enough. " 2011-12-01 22:00:24 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Chris 'the likeable' said "Port News and other local papers! Also - Just an observation - On the Rate Increase Survey, noticed the question re which of the three options was a loaded question. Of course the question was 'optional' however the optional was placed in lighter coloured small case at the end of the question. I agree with Chris - As a family we have to learn to live within our current income and budget fot the increases we see in electricity etc... How about the Council do the same! NO TO A RATE INCREASE AND YES TO A RATE REDUCTION! " 2011-12-01 14:39:45 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Chris said "What three rate increases, Maintain Current rate Increase 7.5%, Standard NSW rate increase 3% and Additional rate increase 4.43%, note the word increase in each, how about we learn to live within our budget? For an area of NSW where a high percentage of the community are retirees, should we expect anything more than a cost of living increase? I would suggest the council needs to have a good look at what the true priorities are, Water, Sewerage, Garbage, Roads, Health inspections and Building approvals and inspections everything below this needs to be considered supplemental to the councils fundamental role and the allocation of funds should be proportional to how the property owners in the area allocate it. Send out a budget covering these items and all other items in brief with the next rate notice and ask each rate payer to allocate a percentage against each line item. I would be surprised if most rate payers got past the top 10 items. It's time we learnt to live within our budget and unfortunately, that may mean that a lot of the present facilities are dropped, so be it, until we are in a better financial position." 2011-12-01 14:06:56 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Concerned ratepayer said "Before we start talking about rate increases, let's look at avenues where we can trim back. Everyone is being affected by the world financial downturn and everyone is having to rein in the budget. Council must do the same and work within the budget they have. To answer the question, the community can be informed in the free papers. Immediately there is a saving in stopping the expensive glossy coloured brochures. The drain is for rain brochure states that leaves and grass clippings can harm waterways. Perhaps Council could inform their staff about this, as when they are mowing, the grass (and any rubbish that's lying around) goes into the gutters and waterways. Also the roads maintenance crews need to take a broom with them, as the gravel and road base from pot holes gets left behind and ends up being washed down the drains." 2011-11-30 11:56:09 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Davidh9000 said "Ecoprisoner, you will notice that virtually all the posts in this forum SCREAM that there is NO justification, desire or acceptance among the ratepayers for an increase. The form is specifically requesting an opinion on the options that have been listed, but in NO way cabn it be seen as approval of a rate increase and it isn't in actual fact discussing that possibility. The problem for the council in having THIS forum is it allows the ratepayers to go further than the questionaire and actually STATE an opinion on other things related to it - including as we are, the fact that a rate increase is NOT needed or wanted. The only question is whether they will listen to that opinion having given us the platform and my money is they won't. Certainly we can not trust our incoming counillors to keep the councils expenditure, or our rates down, if Adam Roberts views are typical of those who wish to have their little bit of power - oops sorry, I mean wish to stand at the council elections, so we have to hope that Neil Porter and his team will make the decision to cut back some of the fat which the council workers truly believe isnt there. They could only believe that because they work for a council!! ANY Government organisation is populated by employees who have little if any accountability and even less business acumen and spending other peoples money, collected in the form of rates, is almost sureal to them. If they only thought of it as their own, perhaps they might behave differently and see how tough it is for many of us to cough up more and more each year." 2011-11-30 10:06:59 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Ecoprisoner said "Question 10 in the survey is a loaded one with no option but to endorse a rate increase. If the Administrative council really wants true public reflection on the proposal, there should be a fourth answer option to the effect,"Option 4- None of the Above: I want to see Council get it's financial house in order and sell off budget bleeding infrastructure, including services that could be pooled with our 2 closest councils to reduce annual expenditure. Also implement local businesses to install teleconferencing facilities to council so that no more expensive "fact finding trips" are inflicted on ratepayers."" 2011-11-30 08:00:10 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Rascalz said "Thank God there appears to be more common sense in these forums than what is displalyed in that non sense survey. Before you (council) ask me to put my hand in my pocket again, validate that you have been atleast remotely efficient in how you spent your original budget. Or better yet, highlight how you plan to remove efficiency going forward to avoid these "one off" rate rises in the future. " 2011-11-29 14:36:35 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on whip said "I total disagree with arate increase until the council cleans up their own place first they should not be tell us that it will only cost a few dollars extra when they waste so much of our money on council workers taking vehicle home and we are paying for them to drive and from work. And the use of the car when on holidays with the use of a fuel card, drive around the Hastings district and you will find council utes and trucks parked outside workers homes, so until you can stop wasting rate payers money on these areas don't talk about rate increases" 2011-11-28 17:17:10 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Ratepayer said "If 7.3% equates to $2.5M, Council must be generating approx. $34M in General Rates revenue. The Community has indicated Roads and Parks to be the highest priority for spending. What proportion of General Rates revenue is currently directed to these two areas? The state of our roads would indicate a lot of the revenue is being diverted to other "feel good" areas that dont necessarily benefit the whole community. Before Council ask us to sanction any rate rise it should look at re-assessing where the current pool of funds is allocated. The major portion, I would argue at least 75%, should be channelled to roads and parks. Watch the improvement in infrastructure then!" 2011-11-26 10:18:49 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on whip said "I strongly disagree that the council should be looking at a rate increase at this time, until they can prove to the rate payers that they have stop wasting our funds on private use of rate payers assets (cars for private use and council truck and utes to ferry workers to and from home). These are a few of the areas that the council needs to address before they even think of rate increases. Stop tell us to we need to cut cost when they are plainly not doing it them selves" 2011-11-25 21:05:25 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Davidh9000 said "Ecoprisoner, I think you may find that not only does the area not gain much from the Ironman organisers directly, but the council "bought" their decision to move to Port Macquarie and "pays" them in the form of several freebies including accommodation and suchlike for their enployees. The upside however is that the event brings in tourists for that week or two. As a local who doesnt benefit directly from tourism, the coming of the tourists is a pain in the ..... well it's a pain, but it is a necessary pain to ensure that those who DO benefit from them are viable for the next 12 months to keep the town alive. As more and more shops and businesses close in the town and around the area, it doesnt bode well for any of us and the more tourist dollars we can get the better. Your idea of asking them to pay is admirable but I fear they would reply by taking their event to Coffs or back to Forster, where they would be offered as many freebies as we are giving them now. Such is life in the business world." 2011-11-25 13:27:47 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Davidh9000 said "ANY council initiaitve that is desighned to save money as this one is, is worth serious consideration and in the case of this particular enterprise, as Peterjb says, the area is ideally suited to it. Despite our being very heavily rated now, the Council talks of three options involving rates next year and ALL three involve increases. That is outrageous. Anyone who seriously believes that this Council is being run at anywhere near an optimum level is either working for the council, or has their hand up to be a councillor and is already planning not to rock the boat should they get in!!! Any marginally successful business man could get into Burrawan Street and eliminate hundreds of thousands of dollars without reducing any services, but it isnt run by successful business men it is run by people who work for Government and they have a built in culture of spending. This council is no worse than others, but it would be nice if it became a leader rather than a follower and slashed its costs efficiently and in the right area and insisted that all staff gave a fair days work for a fair days pay and each area of the council had every piece of fat cut away. Kid yourselves not, there are several areas where one employee could be doing the job of three that currently do it. Governments waste money - that is a fact of life and till now Australia has been able to afford to fund the waste and excesses. Now we can't and there have to be changes made or the system will crash in the next few years. Agree or disagree, but have your say here or at blog sites like www.fix-oz.com otherwise we will not be able to own property or live in this great area of Australia for much longer. " 2011-11-25 13:15:55 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Davidh9000 said "With all due respect in ANY private business you ONLY budget to spend money you know you will generate. You don't just decide how much you will spend and then put up your prices to make it happen, you allocate funds according to the income you achieve through normal trading. There is NO justification for council increasing the rates AGAIN in the short term, they should work within the budget they have avaialble and if that means less personnel, or purchasing cheaper sundry items, then so be it. That is called leadership. The public pay more money at various levels of taxation simply to support the three levels of Government we have and all those Governments do is spend more than they get on themselves, fixing up their mistakes, or excessive projects. Yes roads HAVE to be maintained, but there are many projects that if they are not affordable within the budget should be dropped or postponed - not used as an excuse to raise more money from the public. Check out websites like www.fix-oz.com and read how seriously badly we are being governed and make a decision to change the way we are affected by Government abuse and waste." 2011-11-25 13:01:13 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on AXG said "I believe residents of Greater Port Macquarie are paying close to the highest council rates in the country and the Council running out of money is no justification for an increase. To my way of thinking this Council is more interested in spending on TOURISM when it should be concentrating on basic essential services (roads, rubbish and sewerage). If there is money left over after getting essential services right then they might consider a small rate rise for special (nice to have) projects. I suggest Council reassess it's priorities and ditch non-essential expenditure before considering rate increases." 2011-11-24 12:44:45 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Bear said "Would just be happy to see some proper work done on the roads and stop the patch work, especially around Wauchope. Newspapers are the best way to report I think." 2011-11-23 17:09:04 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on philc said "Just found the document regarding proposed road projects and associated costs (Fact Sheet - Rate Options). Just a few comments- The $1.7m on traffic lights for boundary/hastings river drive is questionable. seems an expensive short term fix to a long term issue. The $0.9m for sarahs crescent, a relatively low traffic area, may require some review in light of more other high traffic needs. The $0.2m for a parking study ? Where does hastings st and campbell st wauchope intersect? cheers" 2011-11-23 10:13:42 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program philc said "The introduction of a community maintenance program is an admirable suggestion that has merit. These types of programs have been run by lions clubs (etc) for decades. Any community based programs are worthwhile. We should all be aware that it is unlikely that there will be any cost savings to council from this type of program. This type of program is a community building activity not a cost saving measure. Council cannot seriously consider asking a group of residents to privately fund the recurring maintenance costs." 2011-11-23 09:09:32 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on philc said "The question asked seems to indicate that the decision to impose a further levi on the hastings has been made. It would be appropriate that the reasoning for this action should be public for comment. Publishing of the identified priorities and status of the expenditure:- On the council website and a monthly update in ALL the local news papers. It would be interesting, and promote community involvement, if council would publish a list of identified roadworks, councils suggested priorities and associated costs (etc). Get some feedback ! Maybe it could be done prior to the funding application and used in support of the submission !" 2011-11-23 08:50:08 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Ecoprisoner said "Well Mr.Roberts, a nice campaign speach and mostly positive. I would hope that you would look at any of the executive staff that upon the election of a new council, decide to 'jump' and take their "Golden parachute" and in the process reaming the bank account of the council. I would like to see a stop of the "golden parachute" parade payouts of these people, case in point the last general manager and the one before him. Just pay their entitled monies such as holiday pay, super, long service (if they've been there long enough to accrue it) and show them the door. There are some that are still there that need to be shown a new career path outside of council as they are basically taking up space and just going through the motions rather than being enterprising and pro-active and energetic in performing in their roles. How about a public account review of the income from the World iron man event and perhaps asking for a bigger slice of he dollars. A nice figure of $2M to be paid to council every year to allow them to take over our town and villages would not be too much to ask. This would go a long way to alleviate the need to raise rates to the level that council (administration) wants to to achieve the same amount from the rate payers. See the number of supporters and volunteers grow so that the operation costs to World iron man would be alleviated." 2011-11-23 08:05:00 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Adam Roberts said "I have put my hand up as a Councillor candidate for the next PMHC Local Govt elections in September 2012. I have to agree with Asparagus64 on the point of assuming Council is running on 100% efficiency. I strongly believe, through my own research, that Council is running a tight ship. I have no doubt about that. What I do have concerns about is whether ALL of the current activities undertaken by Council and its departments are, firstly, absolutely necessary, and secondly, positively contributing to economic stability of the Council, the broader (local) economy and overall quality of life of residents and tourists alike. I would advocate for a full audit on all of councils 'core' activities and associated costs. By publicly revealing the full list of services to the community and open it up for debate, only then can a solid pathway forward (a true community vision) can be created. The Councillors can then act on behalf of the community and through the GM, to better structure PMHC to suit the 'vision'. NOTE: Some core services and costs are legislative requirements handed down by State and Federal Governments and therefore are somewhat inflexible 'burdens' on Local Governments. Sustained lobbying for a 'fairer go' (State & Feds) by the Councillors will be essential to ensuring PMHC is adequately funded to maintain these 'assets' or 'liabilities' whichever way you want to look at it. I am fully aware that our LGA pays reasonably (not the highest in NSW though) high rates already, and in my view, increasing that burden is counter-productive in that it takes more money out of the local economy that would be better spent supporting local businesses - the major provider of jobs in a regional centre. State and Federal Governments have a lot to answer for when it comes to Regional Australia - and unless we put our hand up to draw adequate attention to the local issues, we'll continue to be slugged with extra-ordinary rate rises and inaction from the senior levels of government, well into the future. We need to work on and solve the fundamental issues, not keep patching the problems as they spring up all over the place." 2011-11-22 15:11:11 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program Adam Roberts said "I would love to see the community get behind an 'adopt a park/street' initiative for sure - with or without the 'dire' need to do so. It would show that the community is really willing to help out wherever possible to make this place better for all living in and visiting the area. The challenge will be (for Council) is ensuring that whatever funds are saved through such community involvement are not put back into consolidated revenue, alternatively invested into further LGA beautification and asset maintenance programs and/or other initiatives where the whole community can see a physical reward for effort. Examples: more bbq's and shelters at parks and beaches, ocean bath(s), more kids playgrounds (for all ages), bike path and walkway creation and/or widening and regular maintenance and upgrading where needed to keep of all of the above in good working order." 2011-11-22 14:09:17 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on LaurietonResident said "I am quite happy to accept the third option rate rise but at the same time I believe it is encumbant on Council to be absolutely transparent in divulging to the Rate Payers exactly "How, Why and When" a project is considered, implemented and completed and full explanations of any UNDER or OVER expenditure on said projects. Council currently has a dedicated page in the Camden Haven Courier (and I assume other local papers) - perhaps this could be expanded once a month to provide residents with regular updates. I also believe improved reporting on such matters relating to the Camden Haven (especially outlying areas) would not go astray." 2011-11-22 13:51:17 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on Ecoprisoner said "Please pose the question;"What impacts, types of financial auditing cost cutting, e.g. minimisation of expensive consultants (or any consultants) on every little thing that has to be looked at or done in PMHC LGA. As well as possibly recruiting a share pool of Economic, environmental, Development, planning engineers to share between Kempsey and Taree councils, cutting their costs as well." It's ridiculous that we are paying more per square metre in rates now than in premium residential areas of Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong and being provided with less all round services. You can't keep cutting the stone and squeezing it for more blood, especially when it never had that much to give in the first place. Shift your focus from being a primarily reliant tourist dollar enslaved economy and try to evolve some low impact cost efficient, high technology jobs to generate income 365 days a year instead of the peak season of 16 weeks. When you get the higher income base, then you can start to bleed the stone again." 2011-11-22 13:20:09 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sorts-of-benefits-and-challenges-do-you-see-if-council-were-to-consider-a-community-maintenance-program peterjb said "The Hastings municipality lends itself perfectly to such a program due to its demographic makeup .IF the only main source of local govt. funds continue to be rates we will have no alternative but to consider such measures as ADOPT A PARK ,ADOPT A STREET because continuing to increase rates at this level will force people out of property ownership in the rural & regional areas where rates are much higher than in city & suburban NSW . This we all know is due to our much larger areas of infrastructure which need to be maintained eg. Roads,bridges,parks all widely scattered thru a large area as well as a smaller population per area to pay for what is after all part of the overall National Heritage . Regional councils should get funding from the GST as this upkeep is a national responsibility not just to be paid for from local township property owners who live in the country . Dollar for dollar rates in Port Macquarie or Taree are twice or more than those in places such as Lane Cove in Sydney ." 2011-11-22 12:50:55 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on asparagus64 said "The problem with Council's proposals regarding rate variations, permanent or otherwise, is that all the options assume Council is operating 100% efficiently in the delivery of current services. I don't recall any evidence being provided to support this assumption. Until Council is able to provide reasonable metrics (including benchmarking against other Councils' delivery of services) that support this assumption, I don't believe it's appropriate to be discussing permanent rate increases. Council's framing of this consultative process (including the survey) provides only two options give us more money or we'll be forced to cut services and not fix your roads. Where is the third option: that Council will review service delivery and provide an efficiency dividend to partially offset the cost of the proposed work plans?" 2011-11-22 12:12:43 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on rural peasant said "Firstly, community audits be done showing Council just where ALL the bad roads are in the Hastings, not just Port Macquarie. Then a written quarterly report, posted to All rate payers, identifying completed roadworks & maintenance, plus a future quarterly projection of works to be under taken in the next quarter. That way the rural residents can see just where in Port Macquarie our rates are being used. " 2011-11-22 10:25:22 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/1if-a-rate-increase-application-was-successful-how-would-you-like-council-to-report-back-to-you-on-the-status-of-the-road-projects-it-is-being-spent-on ithink said "i think Port News is always a good way of talking to the community. those who don't purchase or have access to a copy can always read it on-line." 2011-11-22 09:06:31 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration Stefaniemum said "It depends on how long the celebration is going for, but the idea of bikes and scooters it great and the kids would love the idea on being on the road. If it was half a day or more how about food stalls and a market style then it would be for everyone." 2011-10-18 14:53:55 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate Stefaniemum said "Twilight when its cooler and when most have finished for the day" 2011-10-18 14:49:37 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate glitchfield said "Early morning start to walk the length of the Oxley Highway from the Pacific Highway to Port with brunch provisions on the waterfront for a charge/donation. En route refreshment bays provided. Musical entertainment at destination." 2011-10-18 11:55:04 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved Williams said "Anybody who wants to we paid for thru our taxes" 2011-10-18 09:01:41 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration Williams said "A community walk/cycle/skateboard" 2011-10-18 09:00:12 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate Williams said "Twilight" 2011-10-18 08:56:48 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration KAP said "It is a new ROAD with near freeway conditions - BBQs , fun walks , cycling, storytelling , snail races - OH really . Having just returned from UK where I was driving at 150 KPH on the M1 and speed did not kill - how about the opportunity to drive fast along the road before 70 kph speed restrictions are imposed and the revenue raisers with their speed kills cameras saturate the area." 2011-10-10 20:41:04 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate hollymolly said "Best to host the celebrations on a Saturday morning so most people can attend and also the media. Maybe some beautiful trees could be planted such as the Hymenosporum flavum" 2011-10-10 15:30:45 +1100 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved nicko40 said "no way they shouldn't even show there face....turncoats" 2011-09-29 13:56:30 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration Portman said "As a cyclist, I'm looking forward to cycling regularly on the new section of highway. The existing Oxley Highway does not include a cycleway, and is too narrow for safe cycling. It would be great to have the opportunity to cycle on the new roadway prior to opening it to cars. I like the idea of a 10km time trial for serious cyclists." 2011-09-27 11:29:13 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved Engaged said "Peter Besselling is definitely entitled to an invitation, as is Rob Oakeshott. As both men were instrumental in gaining funding for this project, it would be ungracious to exclude either of them because of vitriolic party politics. Three cheers for the Independents!" 2011-09-27 11:14:51 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate ash said "Mid-morning (9.30am to 11.30am) on a Sunday morning (so as to minimise disruption to business and maximise family participation)." 2011-09-27 04:40:32 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration ash said "A re-enactment of the arrival of John Oxley and his party of explorers." 2011-09-27 04:38:06 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie ash said "Ask the Wauchope and Port Macquarie Historical societies if they are willing and able to have someone dress up as John Oxley to be part of the official ceremony." 2011-09-27 04:30:56 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved dimac7 said "Rob oakeshott and Peter Besseling deserve top billing. Dont let Wendy Machin anywhere near it !! " 2011-09-26 18:06:11 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved dimac7 said "it would be a good idea to feature some older genuinely born and bred locals as special guests (both Wauchope and Port Macquarie)-- because they would have travelled the oxley highway in its many forms for a very very long time. There are many such old locals still alive and well" 2011-09-26 18:05:12 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie Loraine said "I like the sound of markets. This would entice a lot of people to come along. Everything should be on a voluntary basis as I would not like to see more and more costs added to the already expensive new highway." 2011-09-26 17:47:18 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie Loraine said "Bullock walk sounds great but it may take a long time. Inviting some of the older Wauchope residents would be nice." 2011-09-26 17:43:31 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie brianmwal said "Once the ribbon is cut I suggest that groups be flagged away to highlight that the road has multi users.Some group examples could include vintage cars, a group of trucks/buses, and with front and rear vehicles to keep them as a group, bicycles (perhaps from a port macquarie bicyle club)." 2011-09-26 14:22:47 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration PC Pitstop said "I like the idea of riding bikes along it. Family bike ride?" 2011-09-26 13:39:25 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate Surfer and Resident Lake Cathie said "Im in favour of all day as an event should be memorable for all those that participate and a great opportunity for new exchanges between groups." 2011-09-26 13:31:53 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration Surfer and Resident Lake Cathie said "Im with Callie on this one but can only add that some storytelling would be great as I have mentioned in another area." 2011-09-26 13:28:18 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved Surfer and Resident Lake Cathie said "All those with an interest in the Oxley Highway from police to ambulance,from historians to Indigenous communities,residents to daily users,photographers to journalists and all those involved in the project!" 2011-09-26 13:24:41 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie Surfer and Resident Lake Cathie said "Its all about history so I would like to see a descendant or descendants of John Oxley be a part of the celebrations along with Local Indigenous communities with respect to the past and present. Perhaps Indigenous Dance and social gathering between those that have storytelling of this great highways past. I believe there are descendants of Oxley perhaps in Queensland and shouldnt be too hard to locate. Also descendants of convicts and early settlers.Delaforce is one name that comes to mind. I am sure Callies grandmother would have some great stories and around a comfortable meeting place I am sure there would be some great history that might otherwise be lost." 2011-09-26 13:17:02 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration binarybenjamin said "How about a world record attempt for the longest slip n slide. Maybe a local business could donate a few rolls of tarp and loads of detergent... I like the tractor race idea, but can Port people bring their tractors too?" 2011-09-26 10:09:17 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie vision 2030 said "The Sydney Harbour Tunnel was officially opened using Rotary Clubs to manage as volunteers. The whole community walked through the tunnel and gold coin donations raised substantial funds for local charities. not too late to arrange this in conjunction with Rotary Presidents in POrt, Wauchope and Laurieton" 2011-09-26 10:00:23 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie LaurietonResident said "My personal opinion is that the road should be opened as soon as roadwords are complete with the absolute minimum of fuss AND EXPENDITURE. It has already cost too much in accidents and delays. Has been a mamoth task with a huge cost and I feel it is not appropriate to spend ratepayers money on "opening" it, money which could well be spent solving other road problems elsewhere in the Council region. " 2011-09-26 09:29:40 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate Ezitree said "Make it an all day event - 9am to 4pm." 2011-09-26 08:44:01 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved Ezitree said "All community groups should try and be involved because it is such a great achievement, although long overdue. It now makes Port Macquarie the 'Jewel in the Crown' of mid-north coast townships." 2011-09-26 08:42:03 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie Ezitree said "I agree with all the comments especially the community markets. Perhaps a mini shuttle bus to take the less mobile residents for a ride along the route. The more energetic should be allowed to walk the distance and they could use the mini bus to return to their point of departure." 2011-09-26 08:38:28 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved Toastman said "Peter Besseling and Rob Oakeshott should open new highway as they were the ones who gained funding for the project. Why should the very people who are cutting funding get credit for a project which improves our infrastructure and has created many jobs.Well done Peter and Rob!" 2011-09-26 08:10:59 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie DeanT said "A pedestrian walk/cycle through." 2011-09-20 15:06:17 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved jakes said "Port Macquarie Antique & Classic Car Club would like to be involved by providing their cars for transporting officials or for a parade or static display. The club has over sixty vehicles from 95 year olds to 30 year olds." 2011-09-15 14:02:40 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate leone said "Mid morning. As already said, it's best for news crews. " 2011-09-15 13:43:00 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie Callie said "Include some of the oldest residents from Wauchope and Port - my grandmother for instance is 98 and has lived in the Hastings all her life. She regularly travels between Wauchope and Port. I am sure there would be similar residents in Port. Make sure indigenous elders are included as well. Put community markets along the route and allow community groups and sporting clubs to set up stalls to sell drinks and bbq food for people walking along the route. Make sure there is easy access for people with disabilities. " 2011-09-15 10:43:27 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration Callie said "How about the Wauchope people start at the Donut end and the Port people start at the Port end and they meet in the middle for sausage sizzle and fun activities. I love the idea of linking hands along the road too." 2011-09-15 10:36:57 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate Callie said "If it is a week day, then twilight would enable the most people to attend." 2011-09-15 10:32:42 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate Sheppo said "Mid-morning is best for the news crews -- no point having the event without media frankly. Get it done by 10:30 or 11:00. Invite 7:30 NSW up for some footage, it's a good news story for the state and for Council. Duncan Gay would be good since there was a fair whack of state funding. " 2011-09-15 08:39:11 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-can-the-opening-link-wauchope-and-port-macquarie SuzyBerry said "Have the Bullock team from Timbertown walk the length. Line dancing demonstrations.... Signpost Historial and Native events, people, attractions etc " 2011-09-14 23:22:06 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/who-should-be-involved SuzyBerry said "All community groups should be involved. So many have been effected whilst construction took place, now is the time to stop complaining and show support." 2011-09-14 23:19:14 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-events-should-be-part-of-this-celebration SuzyBerry said "Family walk, fun run, relay, and "free wheel" with staggered start times. Maybe the Wauchope residents couls have tractor races! Marching bands, arcrobats, clowns on stilts, Roller Derby. All residents line the 6km track and an aerial photo taken of us all - hand in hand!" 2011-09-14 23:17:49 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-time-of-day-should-we-celebrate SuzyBerry said "Family event - you need to avoid the potential heat of the day, morning or twilight would be best!" 2011-09-14 23:14:03 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-things-do-you-think-council-the-community-and-event-owners-world-triathlon-corporation-can-do-to-improve-future-ironman-races moriac said "It was a pity that greater efforts were not made to rehabilitate Oxley oval to allow other local sporting groups to use it after the surface was damaged during the event. There has been some speculation that junior sports like soccer or netball where visiting teams often extend their stay may have a larger more endurable economic benefit for the community. I suspect the major supermaket chains benefit from triathletes buying up rather than restaurants if you remember that most of them were closed the monday night. It is fantastic to mobilise 2000 volunteers for the one effort to support the successful running of the event but when the party is over please make sure you put enough of the profit from this private equity company aside to clean things up." 2011-09-07 22:21:18 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-things-do-you-think-council-the-community-and-event-owners-world-triathlon-corporation-can-do-to-improve-future-ironman-races grifwatso said "Make a better effort to ensure the group organising the ironman event clean up the rubbish." 2011-08-31 15:53:53 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-well-do-you-think-the-community-understand-the-economic-impact-of-ironman-are-you-a-direct-or-indirect-recipient-of-some-of-this-economic-imjection Pym said "It has been reported that the event makes $8M for Port Macquarie. I would like to see a thorough analysis of how this sum is calculated, who benefits (and by how much) and who has found the event left them out of pocket. I suspect the vast proportion of the benefits remain in PM while quite a few struggling businesses in the Camden Haven have had a loss on the day despite their best efforts, simply due to the nature of their businesses. Surely there should be some method to calculate compensation for those businesses out of the profits made by the big end of town? As for Council spending the profits on improving Ocean Drive, I fear that even a large sum like $8M would not go far towards doing what is really needed to make the road really safe with wider shoulders and a proper cycle lane along its length. However much we might wish! " 2011-08-30 16:55:45 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event Pym said "Patience has hit on one real worry and that is the condition of the road south of the Ghost Road. The lack of shoulders, narrowness and generally potholed condition of the road through Bonny's is just asking for accidents to happen. That goes for the many weeks of intensifying training as well as the actual race. I personally stayed at home for the day but felt very sorry for the local businesses that were affected financially." 2011-08-30 16:42:32 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-well-do-you-think-the-community-understand-the-economic-impact-of-ironman-are-you-a-direct-or-indirect-recipient-of-some-of-this-economic-imjection Muesli1 said "I don't think the community in general understands the economic impact at all. Big dollar figures are banded about in the newspapers after the event but if the council made a list on what they will be spending some of the dollars on (eg: re-surfacing roads, upgrading public areas etc) then perhaps they could have a better understanding. The general consensus is that hotels, restaurants and retail outlets make a killing in those few days but the general man in the street sees nothing. PS - If anyone from the council reads this... you have a glaring typo in the question above 'imjection'! Sorry to be so pedantic :)" 2011-08-29 14:04:34 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event Muesli1 said "Personally, I think it is good for the town in general and gives a good vibe and boost to local businesses and I am a proud volunteer since the start. However, I felt the use of the 'Food for Less' carpark for the start of the bike leg was a bad idea not just for the economic impact on trading for those days but also it was dangerous for the cyclists. Anyone standing there at the start could see cyclists struggling to get their shoes in the grips whilst other cyclists who finished their 'show lap' came hurtling around the corner and nearly side-swiping not only the officials but also the cyclists starting out. As far as gaining more spectators, if people want to watch, they will make the effort to join one of the many vantage points along the way. Being in town adds insult to injury for those who want nothing to do with the event and can't even go about their daily chores because of road closures etc." 2011-08-29 13:48:38 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/does-seeing-the-ironman-race-both-the-athletes-and-volunteers-have-any-motivational-or-inspirational-impact-on-you patience said "As to the road chubbs is talking about, it is extremely dangerous and narrow, so adjust your driving and riding accordingly. A narrow road is no excuse for killing a cyclist because you (as a motorist) refuse to move over. Designated paths and cycleways are not the answer- a shoulder on the road is the safest solution, and respect from cyclists, as well as education for drivers is essential. you can have the safest roads in the world, but if there is no respect between cyclists and motorists, people will die. " 2011-08-28 18:02:07 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event patience said "The lack of community consultation was disrespectful (and even more disrespectful to call it consultation), and hopefully this is something that has been dealt with, via forums such as this. The community was in lock down for a day, however we live in such a great part of the world that being 'locked in' shouldn't be a big deal. As for money coming to Camden Haven. I think it is a great event, and have been a former participant. Unfortunately, the Camden Haven is not used to seeing cyclists on the roads, and increase in numbers has left may road users angry. I feel it is only a matter of time before someone is killed on our roads, particularly around Bonny Hills, as the roads are narrow, riddled with holes and road litter, and the lack of awareness from drivers (sometimes as well as cyclists) is a dangerous concoction. I have nearly been hit many times, particularly between North Haven and Bonny's because drivers simply don't judge distance and room properly. Education for cyclists on respectful road use, and for drivers, for respect for other users is essential. After all, i pay my rego and taxes too! As for the event, how bout a little bit of creativity on the part of those complaining- if your business is interrupted for the day, make an alternative if possible- if you are the newsagents, find out who wants the paper delivered that day, and get up early and deliver it. link in with the bakery, and offer a deal for a delivered paper and pie/muffin. Complaining is simply wasting energy that could be used more beneficially. Unfortunately, this area is polluted with an elderly population who love nothing more than an opportunity to vent how bad they got it. Check out the local paper for a weekly dosage of complaints about nothing of any real importance. " 2011-08-28 17:52:51 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event patience said "Portman, It's not as simple as that. I too ride regularly, usually on my own or with a mate. cyclists RARELY ride in a single line. Next time you see the early morning bunch cyclists, count how many wide they are, how many have rear and front lights, and how many of them are actually showing some respect for other road users. As a cyclist myself, i get incredibly frustrated when you see these big bunches around, and they come down as far as the ghost road, sometimes 3-4 wide. Sure the roads are an issue, however cyclists also need to take responsibility and ride respectfully. IM riders were requested to ride single file, but that didn't stop them. living in bonny hills you see lots riding past, 2 abreast, but i know from experience, sometimes this is a safety thing, as single file encourages cars to overtake when there isn't any room. the answer- developing strategies to build respect between cyclists and other road users. " 2011-08-28 17:48:34 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event patience said "I do feel for you. However, if someone you know requires hospitalisation, surely you would call an ambulance, and, if this was required, there would be no reason why an ambulance couldn't get through. " 2011-08-28 17:44:03 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/does-seeing-the-ironman-race-both-the-athletes-and-volunteers-have-any-motivational-or-inspirational-impact-on-you Portman said "I don't ant to get into an argument about registered vehicles, but the law states that both cars and bicycles have a legal right to be on public roadways. However, Ocean Drive is an arterial road, which should include a shoulder for it's full length. It's disappointing that Council chose to re-seal the stretch of Ocean Drive between Port and Cathie before the last IronMan event, instead of improving some of the sub-standard sections of Ocean Drive. As someone who cycles Ocean Drive regularly, I am very aware that there are a number sections between Lake Cathie and North Haven that are narrow, have no shoulder and have steep batters or other hazards close to the roadway. " 2011-08-26 11:29:47 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/does-seeing-the-ironman-race-both-the-athletes-and-volunteers-have-any-motivational-or-inspirational-impact-on-you chubbslawrence said "can't get too emotional about people riding bikes if that's their thing. Couldn't see much benefit to the laurieton, north haven shops from the last event, especially the shops and theatre which chose not to open because access to their business was obstructed. I certainly saw disruption to dunbogan residents by closing off their access in and out. Cyclists, who expect equal use of the tar with other "registered motor vehicles" on narrow roads, are a safety risk. North haven to bonny hills is a prime example where cyclists are a problem because the road is only wide enough for 2 opposing vehicles, and at 90 kph, time to react to insufficient road space is minimal. If i ride my bike on the road I treat the motorist as having full rights to the road and i move well out of their way or stop if necessary. Ironman cyclists should use roads with ample "shoulder space" to avoid this problem. Riding 2 and 3 abreast on 1 lane roads is also stupid. If this Ironman event is so profitable to the area then designated paths and cycle ways could be built from the proceeds. " 2011-08-25 20:06:56 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/does-seeing-the-ironman-race-both-the-athletes-and-volunteers-have-any-motivational-or-inspirational-impact-on-you Carer said "The ironman organisation did a bit for our community they held a kids iron man for free. That was big of them seeing that they put our community to so much trouble." 2011-08-25 09:39:26 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-things-do-you-think-council-the-community-and-event-owners-world-triathlon-corporation-can-do-to-improve-future-ironman-races Carer said "Leave it in Port where the money has gone." 2011-08-25 09:37:18 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event Carer said "Yes I live in Dunbogan and it was an extreme discomfort to go through. My husband it disabled and needs hospitalisation many times and it was terrible for me to go through a day with the threat of not being able to get through. Yes I complained in the paper when no consultation was given to the residents and incidentally the essential services. I am in SES and we were not notified either. Why not leave it in Port Macquarie where all the money went as they have roads that they can get out in an imergency. No money came to the Camden Haven as they rode through and back to Port!!!" 2011-08-25 09:34:36 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event docone said "Another Glass House fiasco by the Council. Keep it in Port Macquarie. there might have been 2000 people who volunteered but it interrupted the lives of many more. As for all the spectators from what I saw on the News on TV, there was no coverage during the race maybe the rest of the world saw it but we didn't. All we saw was a contant stream of pustbikes for hours with no organisation so people could work out who were the leaders. A complete waste of time no buses for peoplke who live out side of Port no way of getting to shops or chemists just stuff in the house for the . Keep it in Port you wanted it you keep it" 2011-08-25 08:55:16 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-things-do-you-think-council-the-community-and-event-owners-world-triathlon-corporation-can-do-to-improve-future-ironman-races Guru said "A better job of cleaning up the rubbish in the town green and along the run course beside the river needs to be done. In 2010 an incredbile amount of gu packages where left all along the waters edge with much of it ending up in our water ways. Council/organisers must have people cleaning up the day of and the day after the race. Other then that wow, what a great event and awesome for our community." 2011-08-24 17:57:36 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event Portman said "The problem on Ocean is NOT the cyclists, but the lack of cycling facilities. There would not be any problems if cyclists and motorists were separated. However, because much of Ocean Drive does not even have a sealed shoulder, cyclists are forced to share the roadway with cars. Unfortunately, there is only a few kilometres of cycle lanes provided in the entire Council area, and any serious cyclist (including those training for the IronMan event) who plans to ride more than 5 - 10 kms must share the roads with cars and trucks. As a regular cyclist, I am aware that we are allowed, by law, to ride 2 wide on all roadways. However, you'd have to be pretty brave (or stupid) to ride 2 wide on most of Ocean Drive! I also believe that the IronMan competitors were requested to ride single file when training on Ocean drive, prior to the recent triathlon." 2011-08-23 12:13:36 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event RoadUser said "I don't have a problem with the Ironman event being held in the Hastings area, and I don't even mind the road closure for the day. However, I do feel that if council continues to run events like this then we need the infrastructure in place to ensure that those of us trying to get to work and back arn't held up by the cyclists doing their training along ocean drive. There needs to be cycle ways created that have a suitable road surface and are wide enough for the triathlon bikes to use. The tiathletes themselves need to also use these lanes appropriately Ie: ride in single file if need be. Ocean drive is busy enough on a daily basis without further delays being created." 2011-08-22 14:18:49 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-sort-of-things-do-you-think-council-the-community-and-event-owners-world-triathlon-corporation-can-do-to-improve-future-ironman-races Portman said "Any income Council receives from hosting the IronMan should be used to improve infrastructure on the IronMan course or sporting facilities in the local area. Funding could go to improving swimming pools, construction of cycle lanes (or at least widened shoulders) or walking/running tracks in the area. Perhaps if these works included signs stating that were funded by the IronMan event, people would see tangible evidence of the IronMan's benefits. " 2011-08-19 19:02:54 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-well-do-you-think-the-community-understand-the-economic-impact-of-ironman-are-you-a-direct-or-indirect-recipient-of-some-of-this-economic-imjection chinesewhispers said "I'm sure most of us are aware that without the multitude of out of town visitors to our area during the ironman events, there would be quite a bit less money injected into our local economy. Sure, ironman organisers are trying to run a business and run an event at the same time and from what I understand, there's many local businesses who directly and indirectly benefit by getting involved in the event. We're certainly a tourist region and this is just one of many ways our town(s) is promoted across Australia and the world. There'll always be a minority few who have gripes and negative things to say about ironman and the impact it has on road closures and parking spaces and the like, but realistically, the event is over and out within days and the money injected into the local economy lasts a lot longer. I'd love to see Port Macquarie Hastings LGA continue to showcase all the natural beauty we have here and also be known for the supportive tight knit and pro-active community that I believe we are already." 2011-08-19 11:40:42 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill hodges said "Anything that is recyclable,most homes are already disposing of it now in a proper manner but there could be better ways to have the larger items disposed of. Surely their is some charity (such as the challenge foundation or the like)who would welcome the chance to have all resellable items delivered and placed in separate bins for no charge to the home owner." 2011-08-19 10:27:12 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event Paul Br. said "I agree with Portman. I also compete in IM events and have a holiday house in Camden Haven. The road from Camden Haven to Lake Cathie is dangerous, the resealing of the road north of Lake Cathie is dreadful ! The resealing works are very rough. The IM showcases the area and we should be attempting to get people back not just at event time. " 2011-08-17 09:26:09 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/does-seeing-the-ironman-race-both-the-athletes-and-volunteers-have-any-motivational-or-inspirational-impact-on-you Paul Br. said "I agree with Portman. Council needs to improve roads between Camden Haven and Port, so as bike riders of all levels can ride / train on all or parts of the IM course. This will attract people to the area all year round to experence the beautiful course. " 2011-08-17 09:18:05 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste adornan said "Green bins are not needed in many situations eg. rural areas. Also in many flats & units. They could be reduced to one. That could be charged to the Corporate body." 2011-08-15 22:20:47 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill Stefaniemum said "While I was in Canada there was a store where you took your own containers to get your food and so it cut down on packaging. I also think that the council should have the dump open for selling off some of the recycle material that only ends up in the land fill. I have seen some of the things people leave on the kerb for the council to pick up and I'm sure there would be people that would pay for some of the things instead of dumping it. Like a second hand store and council would make money and save some of the land fill." 2011-08-15 22:18:10 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste adornan said "Your comment, yellow bin monthly is unrealistic. Most families can fill it weekly." 2011-08-15 22:14:48 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste adornan said "If Waste Management fees were affordable to all ratepayers then maybe the ratepayes would use the facilities in lieu of dumping in the bush or roadways." 2011-08-15 22:10:55 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community adornan said "The main reason we have a Council is to provide the service expected of them. Waste Services is as important as roads, water & sewerage. Ratepayers do not need Council to change an efficient service to an inefficient service ie downgrade Waste Management. If Council is having financial problems then look further afield for reductions maybe within the walls of Council itself. The Council is there to provide services to the ratepayers & this is one area that must be serviced correctly. It is not broken so do not change it." 2011-08-15 22:00:41 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings adornan said "As a Council you need to continue to provide the services that are already in place. The weekly service & kerbside pick up service must continue in the same manner as it is now. Multiple waste transfer stations have to stay as is because there are ratepayers who need to dispose of rubbish, green waste etc. that have restrictive driver licences. Look for reasons to provide services not reasons to reduce services." 2011-08-15 21:47:00 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste adornan said "I'm not prepared to pay more to dispose,recycle or treat waste. The first thing Council has to do is make sure the service is working to its maximum capacity now & any contracts are water tight so far as costing is concerned. There is always room for improvement. The Council policy must be to provide the most efficient service it can for the ratepayers at the lowest cost possible. No exceptions." 2011-08-15 21:27:23 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill adornan said "I have minimised my household waste already. There is no more room for further reduction." 2011-08-15 21:13:56 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/does-seeing-the-ironman-race-both-the-athletes-and-volunteers-have-any-motivational-or-inspirational-impact-on-you Portman said "As a cyclist, and an IronMan volunteer, it's always great to experiencee the buzz created by the IronMan event, then see dozens of new cyclists out on the road in the weeks after the event. Hundreds of locals are obviously motivated by the IronMan to get out and get fit. Unfortunately, there's very few safe roads for cyclists in our local area, and it worries me that inexperienced cyclists may try riding between Port and the Camden Haven, without the safety of cycleways or even proper road shoulders. It's all very well for Council to get behind the IronMan event, but are they putting any of the income back into facilities or infrastructure for local athletes?" 2011-08-15 21:06:44 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill jebdra said "I'd be quite happy to change my behaviour to educe waste to landfill, if any more options were given to me. I already recycle everything I can. I have a worm farm and compost heap and religiously sort cardboard, plastics etc for recycling. We generally fill less than half a small bin each week. I really don't see what else I can do. Like Ash, I feel charging for taking green waste and recyclables like metal to the tip is a disincentive to many people. Surely it would be cheaper to accept the waste for free than having to pick up it up after it has been illegally dumped. Also, as others have said, recycling bins in public places would be good. Another point is commercial businesses. How much recycling goes on in places like supermarkets. Huge amounts of waste are generated and, as far as I can see, it is all dumped in a single bin and then taken to landfill. I know these business pay to do this, but perhaps they could think of the environment and save themselves some money at the same time." 2011-08-15 18:49:42 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event Portman said "I have been involved in previous IronMan events as a competitor and volunteer. I think it's great event that brings a 'buzz' to the town for the weeks leading up to each event. However, I get frustrated that Council appear to pander to visiting IronMan competitors, yet ignore the thousands of local cyclists that use our local roads every week! It seems Council only patch, mow and sweep Ocean Dr, Lighthouse Road, Pacific Drive once or twice a year - the week before the Ironman event! Does Council ever consult local cycling groups before undertaking these works. I would guess not, given the large gravel used when re-sealing Ocean Drive (north of Cathie) before the recent IronMan event. If Council are planning to improve the course before the next IronMan, it would be great to have a safe cyle lane between Port and Cathie for LOCAL cyclists to use." 2011-08-15 18:40:50 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event plumpbetsy said "I came home from Sydney a day early. That didn't worry me. Cheered competitors for a while. Great vibe!" 2011-08-15 16:16:11 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-did-you-think-of-the-2011-ironman-event plumpbetsy said "It was a great community day." 2011-08-15 16:14:03 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings plumpbetsy said "I am very grateful for the great service we have. Any time I call the council or waste depot I am treated courteously & promptly. I know there is a lot of education done but still people seem unaware of what can & cannot be placed in recycling & green bins. I think the drivers are wonderful but I would like to see more bins rejected so that people learn what is appropriate to place where. I rarely fill my small red bin & would like to see the larger bins banned. I have a compost bin so rarely fill the green bin also. Because we pick up on beaches, parks, roadways etc, our yellow bin is usually full & we top up the neighbours as well. Congratulations to Council for this initiative. " 2011-08-15 16:10:57 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste plumpbetsy said "Would prefer people changed their behaviour. We pick up so much in the bush & by roadways" 2011-08-15 16:00:33 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill plumpbetsy said "Already doing everything I can but willing to learn more." 2011-08-15 15:56:57 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill chinesewhispers said "I believe that the PMHC is already leading the way in regards to recycling on the Mid North Coast. We have a great 3 bin system for the households, we have an easy access recycling centre for residents of PMQ. It would seem that we are already setting a high standard when you compare our (community) track record with other LGA's. I'd like to see us expand on the recycling bins to be placed in public spaces to keep up the good work. Locations such as parks, walkways in the CBD main streets etc. It would also be good to encourage business premises to have a recycling bin system also - it seems that there is little take up by the small to medium business sector across the board to recycling commercial waste. Maybe some incentives to encourage this would be appropriate." 2011-08-15 11:33:20 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community ash said "A "what not to do lesson" was learnt by Council when they tried to notify the public about who was operating the transfer station at Wauchope. This was done with about 3-5 days notice in the week leading up to Christmas (when ratepayers had other things on their mind). Any notification should be with at least a 1-2 month period for feedback; ....and feedback which Council takes notice of. On too many occasions Council has treated feedback as something to ignore e.g. referendum on Council's change of name." 2011-08-06 05:47:11 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill ash said "I feel that i have already changed my behaviour significantly and that the current service does a good job. In other words I feel the onus is on Council to maintain the existing system in the most cost-effective manner possible and NOT to raise charges. Perhaps Council needs to change its behaviour by NOT charging for the deposit of unidentifiable green waste. This is material which the less scrupulous can dump in the bush without cost to them but with considerable cost to the environment." 2011-08-06 05:40:19 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste ash said "Council are you listening? No (sane) ratepayer wants to pay any more for waste services than they are already. The current service is excellent but it has great potential for Council to make money from it through selling recyclable material. Surely that is enough. Far too often Councils use rate rises for garbage,sewerage or water as a defacto way of getting extra funds because rate rises are pegged." 2011-08-06 05:34:37 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste Natkel said "Green bins sizes should be selected by residents needs. I only need a very small green bin as I leave my lawn clippings on the lawn & only throw food scraps, therefore only use about 6 inches of the green bin a month. Others with masses of shrubbery & overgrown trees naturally have a need for bigger bins. So be it, provide what is needed to the resident & they can put them out weekly in the summer & monthly in the other 3 seasons. " 2011-08-04 23:11:00 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste Natkel said "We desparately need an ewaste dropoff point or neighbourhood bin to keep mercury out of our landfill & out of our watertable. What is going to happen in 20 or 30 years when all the ewaste has broken down, leeched into our water table & poisoned the ground water? There are ewaste recyclers in Sydney, & apparently in the Manning area. Why won't Council contact these companies & offer ALL of our electronic waste to them for recycling for a nominal fee. Residents should be able drop it @ the tip for free & these companies pick it up & maybe pay a nominal tonnage fee to our council for storing such. The recyclers recover silver, gold, aluminium, masses of copper, nickel, ceramic, tin & other precious metals from electronics circuit boards, not to mention plastics from the cases, mercury & phospherous from tv/monitor tubes, & the new flouro tubes. The list goes on. And it all makes MONEY. Far above the costs of recovery. " 2011-08-04 23:02:29 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste Natkel said "Yellow Bin cannot be done monthly as mine is squashed & the bin is overflowing every fortnight now. Where would we keep the rest of the recyclables waiting for the next pickup? Think about it & "get serious" Walter." 2011-08-04 22:48:07 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community Pym said "Feature articles in all local papers are needed to attract attention - plus an explanatory brochure with the regular mail out of Rate Notices. Obviously you'd include details for some weeks in the Council's regular newspaper columns, and on the council website as well, but to really attract attention a more creative approach is needed. Have you thought of asking primary school kids for some creative ideas? A prize could attract some innovative thinking." 2011-08-04 16:50:26 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings Pym said "I also think the service is fantastic. Some of the contributors here don't seem to realise that the green bin can take all sorts of kitchen scraps, it isn't solely for garden waste. I would use it more if I didn't have a great place to make compost in my own garden. The bulky goods kerbside pick up is excellent. I haven't needed to use it many times but it has been really efficient in disposing of some awkward things. The e waste collection recently was also a fantastic initiative - I hope it becomes a regular feature. I would also like to see a really 'state of the art' waste transfer facility built as part of the development in Area 14. It's a long way to drive to either Cairncross, Dunbogan or Wauchope from the Lake Cathie/Bonny Hills area and bushland rubbish dumping is a problem." 2011-08-04 16:38:47 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste Pym said "I would not like to see any increase in waste charges. I do wonder if pre-sorting recyclables at source would be helpful - for example in some council areas they have a separate bin for paper and cardboard. This would make the rest of the sorting a lot easier for council staff or contractors. I think the current frequency of collection is OK for most people and would be even more so if there was a separate bin for papers. I was under the impression that there was no charge at the tip if you are just depositing recyclables. Of course you have to sort them. What Council must do is find ways to dissuade people from illegal dumping in bushland. Increasing fees will only make this more of a problem." 2011-08-04 13:56:18 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste walter schellenberg said "If frequency of collection was: Red bin: weekly Green bin: fourtnighly Yellow bin: monthly I would be prepared to pay $250. I think this answers the question directly. I think this would be feasible, if yellow bin recyclables were flattened (with the obvious exception of glass). " 2011-08-04 11:06:28 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste TJG said "I don't think the suggestion is to increase the frequency of service so presumably if the frequency was less the cost would be less, not more. Council should conduct a survey, or seek information from the contractor, on how full the yellow recycle bins are each fortnight. Mine could easily go a month most times of the year. Many of my neighbours also only seem to have part full bins. Similar for green bins - I haven't put mine out at all for three weeks now. So to answer the question, I wouldn't be prepared to pay more but I would be prepared to have a reduced service frequency and use any savings to implement other waste minimisation ideas." 2011-07-30 17:48:31 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community chubbslawrence said "take the front page of the local papers and start with the heading "COUNCIL CUTS RATES". you'll immediately get the attention almost every homeowner. Of course, you'd have to honour that pledge and actually report a rate cut along with the changes to the waste management procedures. By the way, I pay $349.00 for waste management "standard service" (is there a "gold service" that cleans the lid of your bin and then wraps some hygenic paper across the top like they do to toilet seats in motels?) What is the Waste Management Access Charge of $25.00?" 2011-07-27 18:40:27 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings chubbslawrence said "paying for a green bin to be collected each week is unnecessary for most average residences, and especially for villas and units who probably never need to utilise it. Also in winter there is less grass to mow and less growth to cut back. Maybe it can be scaled back during winter and the fee could also be reduced." 2011-07-27 18:25:53 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community carg0 said "in quarterly rate reminder notices. The postage is already b eing paid anyway to the majority of people. Anything that would save the already exorbitant rates we have to pay." 2011-07-27 09:55:26 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings carg0 said "As a single householder I do not need weekly services as I do not fill the bins. I should be able to choose a weekly or fortnightly even monthly pickup according to my needs and charged accordingly to this. You would choose to elect this and be charged in your rates. I think we need a green waste bin which could be collected monthly." 2011-07-27 09:49:30 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings ash said "The current service is very good except for two aspects. (i) We are charged to drop off Green waste from which Council makes money by turning it into compost. (ii) Councils continually raise these charges-either through annual charges or at the Depot gate-in order to get around the limits placed on how much they can raise residential rates." 2011-07-27 05:11:24 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste ash said "Not prepared to pay any more than I already do now. In fact I believe that it should be free to drop Green (garden etc) waste to Council depots because: (i) Council uses that material to make compost which they then sell. (ii) It will encourage people to take Green waste to the tip rather than drop it in the bush somewhere." 2011-07-27 05:07:49 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste chubbslawrence said "I'm more concerned about people dumping their rubbish before they get to the tip or in the bush because the tip fees are way too high. why not have free tipping for residents on all recyclable waste ie green waste, steel, cardboard etc and have private contractors come in and collect their specific product from the tip at no cost to them or council. They can recycle it and re sell it for their own profit and then people will be more conscientous about recycling and less likely to dump their rubbish in the bush. Eliminating waste to land fill by 2020 is about as realistic as Australia deriving it's electricity from wind power! Is burrying rubbish underground such a bad thing? Surely it's better than throwing it around the streets? what happens after 2020, what does council propose if they expect to stop landfill? send it into space? Cover it over, let it settle and then build some sporting fields on it - we could certainly do with a few more soccer fields in this area. Oh and by the way! it's fine for council to tell us to rinse out our recyclables before we put them in the bin but aren't they the ones constantly promoting a "waterwise" mentality. And since our water charges have increased from 75 cents/kL in 2000 to $202/$404 kL in 2011 and will increase again to $214/$428 kL in 2012, i suggest they rinse their own recyclables. " 2011-07-26 20:54:37 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill chubbslawrence said "there was no bad language. there was a reference to a swear word but it was not written as per say it was conveyed by the first and last letters with **** replacing each letter in between. that can not be considered a swear word as any letters of the alphabet could be inserted to form any word" 2011-07-26 20:52:21 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill chubbslawrence said "what if kellogs are running a competition on the back of the box? you surely can't throw that away before you have a chance to enter!" 2011-07-26 19:15:47 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill Coester said "A brilliant idea that happens in Germany is that bins are provided in supermarkets. People strip all that useless cardboard packaging off and put the cardboard in the bins. This means that less is collected from households but means the frequency of collection can be reduced. Why take the cardboard kellogs packaging all the way home just to then put it in a recycling bin." 2011-07-26 14:37:25 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community philc said "If Council wishes to make an "IMPACT" (poor choice of words) then i surmise that there is bad news coming. Councils sends out quarterly rate bills, include a brief news letter outlining current deliberations being undertaken by council. Advertise the deliberations in the local media via regular press releases (should be free) Establish a dedicated information line (not the general line) that will provide some detail of the subject under deliberation. Provide a dedicated area on the council web site, for all to access, that provides the councils reasoning for the deliberation, the community benefit(s) sought from the deliberation and any fiscal impacts that may be driving the deliberation along with the benefits that are expected. cheers pj " 2011-07-26 13:22:25 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings philc said "The current services seem adequate cheers pj" 2011-07-26 12:49:05 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste philc said "As a rate payer I understood that we are already paying for the services provided. My understanding is that my payment of $350 covers the weekly services now provided, and that, if I require a further pickup I will incur an additional charge. This seems to be working well at this time unless council has not advised us of costs not covered. If council wishes to impose a variation to this scheme on some other payment model then they should include an opt out clause from the service and the associated charges! cheers pj" 2011-07-26 12:47:01 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill philc said "Waste disposal is a challenge for government and its agencies to ensure that all product waste is suitable for recycling activities. I am sure that the population at large would actively support any decision by government and industry to set recyclable goals regarding the use of plastics and other materials in product manufacture and packaging. The behavior of consumer purchasing is driven by their perceived need/desire for the product(s) offered and limited by their fiscal capacity at the time of purchase. Certainly, i usually purchase products that are suited to my need/desire without thought of the resulting waste. In fact, i see no difference in waste from competing products as delivered by the manufacturers. A simple example is bottled drinks - When delivered to a retailer they are generally in plastic bottles wrapped in plastic and delivered in cartons. If i buy a carton (bulk) I will need to dispose of the carton, plastic wrap and bottle once the product is used. If i buy 2 bottle i have only the bottles to dispose of and the retailer has the carton and plastic wrap. Hence, its better i buy two bottles at a time but does it reduce the overall waste? - unlikely! To conclude I believe that households, in general, comply with any proposal for improvement in waste management. Council, and government in general, should -: (i) concentrate on the supply chain to reduce the volume and type of packaging in use. (ii) continually review the process and seek improvement in the cycle of waste management. (iii) consider imposing a waste management levee on manufacturers based on the type, volume and complexity of their product contribution to the waste management system. cheers pj " 2011-07-26 12:30:13 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings walter schellenberg said "I am a single person household and put the respective bins out only every second or third time (and thereby subsidising the large households). I am unaware of the kerbside pick-up service." 2011-07-26 09:07:38 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste walter schellenberg said "I would not be prepared to pay more. I would instead make an effort to squash plastic bottles and cans and flatten cardboard boxes, so that a MONTHLY COLLECTION OF THE RECYCLE BIN would suffice. This would reduce cost to Council and therefore to rate payers." 2011-07-26 08:56:49 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill walter schellenberg said "Packaging is mostly recyclable and should therefore not affect waste volume to landfill - if properly disposed of." 2011-07-26 08:43:24 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/if-there-are-changes-to-the-waste-services-as-a-result-of-the-waste-management-strategy-how-best-should-council-communicate-these-to-the-community mdf said "Let's see, any communication would be good after the Glasshouse debacle, and also more then two weeks (sometime in local paper only two days) notice. Paper leaflet drop (do not waste OUR money on glossy leaflets keep saving for the Stingray Creek bridge) would be appropriate or maybe a separate one page ad in local papers like the Courier. (separate from you weekly buidling notices that is)." 2011-07-26 08:14:21 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/what-is-your-overall-impression-of-the-waste-services-in-the-hastings mdf said "The current weekly waste pickup is fantastic - these guys also work on public holidays. I show my appreciation to them at christmas time for a job well done. The once a year kerb side pickup is ok - but a bit picky in what the will collect unfortunately for people who do not have access to a vehicle and/or trailer to take things to the tip. As for the tip - what service? I pay to go in, have to have my waste already sorted and then have to place at correct tip faces - there is no service and don't know why I pay a fee and then I have to do the work." 2011-07-26 08:08:58 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-prepared-to-pay-others-to-dispose-recycle-or-treat-waste mdf said "why should us rate payers pay more for our waste disposal - we have to pay to go to our local tip to get rid of surplus waste and even then we are the ones who have to sort it so it goes into the correct places at the tip face - we also sort our household rubbish into three separate bins - most of the work is done for the commercial waste disposers. Besides, in these times where does the householder find the extra money when there is none - I pay for stormwater disposal when I have no system provided for me so the council can use that money that I pay to cover the extra costing for waste disposal." 2011-07-26 08:04:20 +1000 http://pmhclistening.com.au/topic/how-much-are-you-the-householder-prepared-to-change-your-behaviour-to-reduce-waste-to-landfill mdf said "dam hard to reduce waste or change buying pattern or buy in bulk or less packaging when you live in a rural area and do not have the choices. Food manufacturers should be made to change their packaging before the householders are asked to downsize their waste - not householders fault for packaging that things come in." 2011-07-26 08:00:50 +1000